Victor Conte talking steroids, Pacquiao and Boxing

[IMDAZED]

I don't know, why hasn't Schaefer filed a petition? Seems they're more than willing to do what NSAC will decide on.

Let me ask it another way - what has been the sticking point for the Pacquiao camp? And while I have your attention again, did you miss this (with regards to urine/blood testing for blood doping)?

We know that one particular synthetic method (EPO) can be detected through urine. You yourself, admit that this method has a short shelf life. Because of that, it makes it almost impossible to detect by urine unless the user had just...used...right?

[Talon]

not much training done right before the fight but much recovering


the cream and the clear - cream is the roids, clear is the masking agent to help pass tesrs

mosley obviously took semething very androgenic and strong which will tend to reduce your endurance so he probably did take something to increase it again.. EPO is not the only thing.. equipoise (or boldenone, race horse steroids) will increase red blood cell count too. im not sure if it contains EPO or not..

[rao007]

I'm not referring specifically to Pacquiao. I'm speaking in general. If you support such testing, do you believe fighters who don't want to do it because of "mental" reasons should be excused?

Do they want to fight or not? heh?

[IMDAZED]

Do they want to fight or not? heh?

Is my question so difficult? If you support such testing, do you believe fighters who don't want to do it because of "mental" reasons should be excused? Not referring to Manny, just in general.

[rao007]

Let me ask it another way - what has been the sticking point for the Pacquiao camp? And while I have your attention again, did you miss this (with regards to urine/blood testing for blood doping)?

We know that one particular synthetic method (EPO) can be detected through urine. You yourself, admit that this method has a short shelf life. Because of that, it makes it almost impossible to detect by urine unless the user had just...used...right?

How is three blood tests going to catch that as one USADA official said--one type of EPO can be excreted from the body very quickly even with blood tests involved. Not actually trying to defend Manny.

[IMDAZED]

How is three blood tests going to catch that as one USADA official said--one type of EPO can be excreted from the body very quickly even with blood tests involved. Not actually trying to defend Manny.

Because it tracks blood count?

[rao007]

Is my question so difficult? If you support such testing, do you believe fighters who don't want to do it because of "mental" reasons should be excused? Not referring to Manny, just in general.

If they want to fight it doesn't matter reason--they will have to abide by the commission....Arum states they will do what the NSAC demands of them.

[IMDAZED]

not much training done right before the fight but much recovering


the cream and the clear - cream is the roids, clear is the masking agent to help pass tesrs

mosley obviously took semething very androgenic and strong which will tend to reduce your endurance so he probably did take something to increase it again.. EPO is not the only thing.. equipoise (or boldenone, race horse steroids) will increase red blood cell count too. im not sure if it contains EPO or not..

I'm almost positive it doesn't (how could it?). Which means (gee?) that the blood test would be best?

[IMDAZED]

If they want to fight it doesn't matter reason--they will have to abide by the commission....Arum states they will do what the NSAC demands of them.

Of course. But I wasn't speaking to them specifically. I'm speaking universally. If such a rule were to be implemented, do you believe that fighters who cite "mental" concerns should be excused?

[MindBat]

Unfortunately, Schaefer will refuse then regurgitate it later in the negotiation. Still wondering why they haven't filed a petition.


FH: If there was a third party involved or hired to do the blood-testing, who or what would it be?

Schaefer: I have some suggestions. One of which was actually the one which Top Rank had recommended, which is the agency that does the NFL and Major League Baseball [The National Center for Drug Free Sports, based in Kansas City, Mo.] The problem is they only do urine.

But I'm sure that if they do urine, they could probably retain someone else to do the blood testing as well. If it would be that agency, that would be okay with us as long as it's random, it's urine, it's blood, and it is cut off at a date prior to the fight which maintains the integrity of the tests.

http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2009/12/2...ther-pacquiao/

Check Schaefer's quote: "...as long as it maintains the integrity of the tests."

Do you honestly believe the 24 day cut-off Team Pacquiao insisted on maintains the integrity of the random tests?