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  • IMDAZED
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    #61
    Originally posted by Pullcounter
    exactly! pac's believes that taking blood while he's cutting weight will effect his performance. this is real and will have a negative effect on pac mentally and psychologically.



    again, if the NASC rules that more rigorous tests are needed, then pac would not be exempt.
    How do you propose the NSAC rules more rigorous tests are needed? How does that work, exactly?

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    • Doctor_Tenma
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      #62
      Originally posted by fcastro1
      but what if it has an affect in any way. would you be happy that floyd fought a less than 100% pac? i wouldn't want pac to beat a lesser version of floyd.
      A tube of blood was drawn out of him during the build up to Hatton vs. Pacquiao. Plus, the chances of getting tested 2-3 days before the fight is slim. That isn't so much the issue either, I believe that, that's more of a physiological thing. Not allowing a cut off date is to prevent Pacquiao and his team from finding a way to flush these drugs out of his system. Anyway, I don't buy into "It'd mentally effect him", that's lame.

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        #63
        Originally posted by tyde13
        manny is ranked #1 in the world...not a fair comparison.

        tyson's opponents lost mentally, b/c they saw tyson, and just couldn't imagine having what it takes to beat him....that's plausible.

        donating a teaspoon of blood days before the fight, doesn't ring true as an excuse for losing, especially for somebody as mentally and spiritually strong as manny claims to be.....am i the only person who senses hypocracy?
        Yes he is a hypocrite, why people act so surprise that he is? He has a real big religious belief yet he cheated on his wife. Holyfield was that same way. I don't give a fuck what this man does in his personal life.

        But, if mentally he feels it will weaken him, yes is hypocrisy but it is what it is.... We not in his shoes so really we have no idea how it really effects him. All we doing is judging from the outside looking in...

        All I do know is that this man has never I repeat never been linked to steroid abuser, distributor, company, or has had any talk of steroids, HGH, or EPO... So I am not going to assume his guilt until there is some kind of proof... And, right now there is none.

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          #64
          Originally posted by IMDAZED
          Exactly.

          BTW...What's the proof?
          is it a coincidence or is it the truth? pac says felt week and that was the last time he lost so we should beleive him.

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            #65
            Originally posted by jrosales13
            Yes he is a hypocrite, why people act so surprise that he is? He has a real big religious belief yet he cheated on his wife. Holyfield was that same way. I don't give a fuck what this man does in his personal life.

            But, if mentally he feels it will weaken him, yes is hypocrisy but it is what it is.... We not in his shoes so really we have no idea how it really effects him. All we doing is judging from the outside looking in...

            All I do know is that this man has never I repeat never been linked to steroid abuser, distributor, company, or has had any talk of steroids, HGH, or EPO... So I am not going to assume his guilt until there is some kind of proof... And, right now there is none.
            Your last statement is telling. Again, Shane Mosley had never been linked either. Neither had Evander Holyfield. We didn't find out until years later. But still, your premise is wrong.

            Person #1:
            You're on drugs.

            Person #2:
            No I'm not, prove it!

            Person #1:
            OK take this test.

            Person #2: No, I'm suing.

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            • IMDAZED
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              #66
              Originally posted by fcastro1
              is it a coincidence or is it the truth? pac says felt week and that was the last time he lost so we should beleive him.
              Where's the proof? I'm sure you love that question .

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                #67
                Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
                A tube of blood was drawn out of him during the build up to Hatton vs. Pacquiao. Plus, the chances of getting tested 2-3 days before the fight is slim. That isn't so much the issue either, I believe that, that's more of a physiological thing. Not allowing a cut off date is to prevent Pacquiao and his team from finding a way to flush these drugs out of his system. Anyway, I don't buy into "It'd mentally effect him", that's lame.
                why are you making assumptions when pac has reasons and has been clean throughout his career. Why do people think he is lying is what i want to know?

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by IMDAZED
                  Where's the proof? I'm sure you love that question .
                  proof is that he lost the only time he did it, thats enough proof you or anyone needs. on the other hand floyd i asking for extra tests without no evidence.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by fcastro1
                    proof is that he lost the only time he did it, thats enough proof you or anyone needs. on the other hand floyd i asking for extra tests without no evidence.
                    That's not proof. We need a direct correlation between the tablespoon and his performance in the ring. He's lost before, right?

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Pullcounter
                      come on!!! you don't even know the ingredients to the big mac special sauce.
                      It would help if I actually ate big macs. Semantics aside, I understand your frustration. If someone were to attack Cotto in the same way I would be infuriated, but I would also expect Cotto to prove himself in the right before expressing his outrage. Cotto is NOT perfect, and part of what I admire about him is his humility in accepting this without attempting to polish his public image. He does not make excuses.

                      If you were honest with yourself you would acknowledge that it is Pacquiao's responsibility to do all he can to ensure that he and his team have the highest levels of integrity and are not guilty of any misconduct. Right now it appears that he is more offended by the notion that anyone would assault his vaunted image rather than submitting to the stringent blood tests. He and/or his team have made a number of excuses to avoid them. If, after taking the tests and they prove negative, he wants to play the victim he may do so and I doubt too many would deny him that right. For now, though, I do not think he may be afforded that luxury as he is a public figure, and these are the sometimes ugly realities of success and fortune.

                      The information the public is learning about the ease of evading certain tests keeps stacking. He could be innocent, but he is doing himself a disservice by being too principled. Pacquiao should not consider it beneath his dignity or contempt to prove his accusers wrong and lay doubts to rest.

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