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  • Pullcounter
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    #81
    Originally posted by Nuurzhaelan
    It would help if I actually ate big macs. Semantics aside, I understand your frustration. If someone were to attack Cotto in the same way I would be infuriated, but I would also expect Cotto to prove himself in the right before expressing his outrage. Cotto is NOT perfect, and part of what I admire about him is his humility in accepting this without attempting to polish his public image. He does not make excuses.

    If you were honest with yourself you would acknowledge that it is Pacquiao's responsibility to do all he can to ensure that he and his team have the highest levels of integrity and are not guilty of any misconduct. Right now it appears that he is more offended by the notion that anyone would assault his vaunted image rather than submitting to the stringent blood tests. He and/or his team have made a number of excuses to avoid them. If, after taking the tests and they prove negative, he wants to play the victim he may do so and I doubt too many would deny him that right. For now, though, I do not think he may be afforded that luxury as he is a public figure, and these are the sometimes ugly realities of success and fortune.

    The information the public is learning about the ease of evading certain tests keeps stacking. He could be innocent, but he is doing himself a disservice by being too principled. Pacquiao should not consider it beneath his dignity or contempt to prove his accusers wrong and lay doubts to rest.
    pac is willing to take blood tests and urine tests.

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    • Doctor_Tenma
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      #82
      Originally posted by Pullcounter
      pac is willing to take blood tests and urine tests.


      All Pull has to say...

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      • Pullcounter
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        #83
        Originally posted by jrosales13
        How is he wrong if he feels mentally that blood test days before the fight weakens him? If that is how he feels it is what it is bro...

        And, again I can go both ways.

        1) Floyd is in the wrong for singling out Pac asking for this without any proof

        2) Floyd is holding up the fight

        3) Floyd should man up and just fight this fight like he did his last 40 fights.

        That is just an example for one. But, I don't feel that way because both sides of the argument. Maybe you should try to see the same thing...
        exactly!!!

        khan is on the same stuff that pac is on since they both have ariza as their nutritionists. why don't *****s want khan to be tested?

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        • Pullcounter
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          #84
          Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!


          All Pull has to say...
          you guys act like he's not.

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          • FLY TY
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            #85
            Originally posted by jrosales13
            How is he wrong if he feels mentally that blood test days before the fight weakens him? If that is how he feels it is what it is bro...

            And, again I can go both ways.

            1) Floyd is in the wrong for singling out Pac asking for this without any proof

            2) Floyd is holding up the fight

            3) Floyd should man up and just fight this fight like he did his last 40 fights.

            That is just an example for one. But, I don't feel that way because both sides of the argument. Maybe you should try to see the same thing...
            this fight is not like any of his previous 40 fights, for obvious reasons....

            but the biggest reason, many of you are overlooking, is the fact that NONE of floyd's previous opponents had been accused before the fight of using steroids. other boxers have come out against pacquiao, as well as floyd's father.....so comparing this example to others is wrong.


            floyd has manned up, and agreed to every stipulation top rank has put forth on him, but asking manny to be randomly drug tested is too much on mayweather's part?

            every excuse manny and top rank have given for not wanting the tests, including time frame, and the company conducting the tests, GBP has come back and said "we're willing to negotiate..."

            top rank and manny, say "no,no,no.....it's our way, or no fight."


            you can't type with straight fingers, that anybody other than top rank and manny pacquiao is the reason this fight isn't signed, and they'll be the reasons this fight won't get made if it doesn't.

            when you have 1 side willing to negotiate EVERYTHING, and the other side taking hard-line stances at every turn, you can't help but use common sense as to what's going on here.

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            • Doctor_Tenma
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              #86
              Originally posted by Pullcounter
              you guys act like he's not.
              Honestly, he isn't. Think about it. Please don't allow me to repeat myself.

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              • Lady Fan
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                #87
                PEOPLE! PLEASE READ THIS AND LEARN!

                This article is based on this (facts)


                Quote:
                USADA Prefers Out Of Competition Testing

                Said J. Sahi, M.D., tells Philboxing why the USADA prefers out-of-competition testing:


                A random blood testing for the synthetic Human Growth Hormone, Somatropin, within the training period leading to the fight is NOT an effective way to catch cheaters especially if it is done within the thirty days before the fight. The USADA knows this. As a matter of fact, Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA said that to be most effective, athletes would have to be subjected to random testing while out of competition. If it will be done for this fight, it would be during competition since the fighters are scheduled to start training in early January.

                No athletes, trainers and coaches in their right mind will use this drug few days or weeks before the competition. It is useless because it will take several weeks to months to have the desired results. That is why this test is recommended to be used when athletes are out of competition.

                It is not simple to use HGH for few weeks before the fight. It is troublesome. When using HGH the body also needs more thyroid hormones, insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolic steroids. This is also the reason why HGH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular.1 These other drugs can be detected by the urine test then NSAC urine test is already enough for this.
                There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are HGH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place. 2

                Blood sugar and thyroid hormone should also be monitored while using HCG. It is really difficult and inconvenient to have all these stuffs during competition especially when you have only few weeks before the fight. That is why, this is being done during out of competition when athletes have several months prior to the competition or fight.

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                • IMDAZED
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by fcastro1
                  pac has a case floyd does not. if you believe he is on something then thats your view but pac has a point and floyd has an assumption, that is the difference.
                  I repeat:

                  That's not proof. We need a direct correlation between the tablespoon and his performance in the ring. He's lost before, right?

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                  • Nuurzhaelan
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by jrosales13
                    How is he wrong if he feels mentally that blood test days before the fight weakens him? If that is how he feels it is what it is bro...

                    And, again I can go both ways.

                    1) Floyd is in the wrong for singling out Pac asking for this without any proof

                    2) Floyd is holding up the fight

                    3) Floyd should man up and just fight this fight like he did his last 40 fights.

                    That is just an example for one. But, I don't feel that way because both sides of the argument. Maybe you should try to see the same thing...
                    It could be that Floyd is a little nervous or jealous of Pacquiao's success but now that so many have weighed in on the matter it seems at least plausible. If Pacquiao takes the tests to everyone's satisfaction and the results are negative then everything falls squarely on Mayweather's shoulders. His su****ion may be motivated by envy or incredulity but let's face it, Pacquiao's star is rising, and what he has done *IS* unprecedented.

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                    • IMDAZED
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by jrosales13
                      Actually Shane was linked to Balco was he not? That is how everything got out to the open right?

                      Evender Holyfiield= Evan Fields

                      They were linked, Pac is not until that day comes then you can come talk to me...

                      All you guys trying to speak for everybody, I can not speak for nobody else. I can only speak for myself. And, I am going to be real I am clean I don't drink or do drugs. And, for me personally if I didn't have to take a drug test I wouldn't. So for me it would go like this.

                      PERSON 1: You are on drugs
                      ME- No I am not.
                      PERSON 1: Take this test
                      Me- No fuck you, fuck off...
                      PERSON 1: Well if you clean and you have nothing to hide just take it.
                      Me- No, I don't have to so now get the fuck out my face

                      That is how it would go down if some bull**** like that happen to me. I can only speak for myself not for everybody else... maybe bro you should try to same.
                      Shane was linked to Balco years later. Same with Holyfield. We found out he was on roids when he was in his FORTIES. And for the record, your little story didn't happen that way. They AGREED to the testing until they found out what it entailed.

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