Manny Pacquiao is greater then Pernell Whitaker - Bert Sugar

[wizard king]

Manny Pacquiao is not in Pernell Whitaker's league Pernell would make easy work of Pacquiao they shouldn't even be in the sentence together i can't belave people compare Pacquiao to greats such as Ali and Ray Robinson and Pernell Whitaker his hype is going to far Pacquiao is not even a real ATG the only thing that makes him one is 7 titles in 7 divions and he really didn't even do that so they need to stop and wait until his career is over and then see where he falls in with the ATG's

exactly i mean people are so retarted on here. very true 7 title is what makes him a atg and thats it. to me his 7 title dont mean **** cause he didt defend his titles enough for it to mean ****. just look at finito lopez the amount of times he defend his titles is nuts, now thats what makes a true atg in my eyes.

[Calilloyd]

well, it is a common knowledge that ali's rated # 2 next to robinson and bert is the keeper of that list ...it changes as time goes by....why worry about my attitude?...lol...

I don't care about you or your attitude. However, finding out you are an adult makes your opnions less respectable. And it is not common knowledge what Sugar's list is and he has had the same opinion about Dempsey for years. It hasn't changed.

[baracuda]

I'm not outraged. I just don't agree. People are entitled to their opinions but when you say Pacquio's resume is WAY better than Whitaker's or "its not even close" then your fighter worshipping. It's debatable on either side. Pernell Whitaker never truly lost in his prime and was untouchable at 135-140 Whitaker cleaned out the lightweightweight division.Most people making thoase statements have probably never even seen Whitaker fight or know very little about him. Going up to 154 and beating a guy once beaten by DQ (Julio Cesar Vasquez) champion was huge but gets overlooked. Vasquez also beat a prime Winky Wright knocking him down 4 times. I think it's a debatable topic but to say it's not close between them is unrealistic. I also do not think Pacquiao's resume is better.

you dont think pac's resume is better but bert sugar does......hmm, which one is more credible?......lol

[baracuda]

exactly i mean people are so retarted on here. very true 7 title is what makes him a atg and thats it. to me his 7 title dont mean **** cause he didt defend his titles enough for it to mean ****. just look at finito lopez the amount of times he defend his titles is nuts, now thats what makes a true atg in my eyes.

hmm, how many fighters defended their titles so many times and how many fighters are 7 division champs?......hmmm.....lol

[Calilloyd]

Maybe someone should explain to you the difference between greatest HW and greatest pound for pound HW.

Maybe someone should show this video to you. "The greastest fighter that ever lived" generally means he is the best of the best.

[Jim Jeffries]

Maybe someone should show this video to you. "The greastest fighter that ever lived" generally means he is the best of the best.

I have his book Boxing's Greatest Fighters in front of me.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Joe Louis
Harry Greb
Benny Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Jack Dempsey

Here, take a look for yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/Boxings-Greate...der_1592286321

Just admit you're wrong and move on.

[Calilloyd]

I have his book Boxing's Greatest Fighters in front of me.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Joe Louis
Harry Greb
Benny Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Jack Dempsey

Here, take a look for yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/Boxings-Greate...der_1592286321

Just admit you're wrong and move on.

That shows nothing other than where you can buy the book. Just look at the video and read sugar's statements and move on.

[wizard king]

hmm, how many fighters defended their titles so many times and how many fighters are 7 division champs?......hmmm.....lol

many fighters defended their titles more then pac has and ever will finito lopez has more title defenses then pac enitire career dip ****,none are 7 and thats the only thing that makes pac atg nothing more *******.

[Jim Jeffries]

That shows nothing other than where you can buy the book. Just look at the video and read sugar's statements and move on.

No, it shows the complete 100 list, you just have to click search inside the book. You are wrong, just admit it and move on. Bert overrates Dempsey, perhaps to compensate for most people underrating him these days. But he certainly doesn't rank him above Ali or Louis.

[Calilloyd]

No, it shows the complete 100 list. You are wrong, just admit it and move on.

Sugar has done a few other things in his life -- he is credited by old editions of Books in Print with having written or co-written 83 books, mostly on sports, which once earned him the tag (courtesy Nik Cohn) "The Isaac Asimov of Athletics" -- and he currently writes a column for SportsBusiness Journal. But it's as editor of the Ring magazine, Boxing Illustrated and Bert Sugar's Fight Game that he has made a niche. When the HBO people do a boxing documentary, they call Bert Sugar and fill in the rest of the names later; when a boxing movie ("The Great White Hype" or "Play It to the Bone" or the De Niro version of "Night and the City") is being cast and they need a Bert Sugar type to appear in a fedora, chewing an unlit cigar, they call Jack Klugman -- and if he's not available they call Bert Sugar.

I wanted to do a piece on all the issues surrounding boxing today, and since it involved extensive conversation with Bert Sugar, and since there was virtually no one else who could or would discuss such things, I decided, what the hell, to simply interview ... Bert Sugar. I was asked in return only to mention his next book, "Total Boxing" (the boxing companion to the "Total Baseball" and "Total Football" giant volumes published by Sports Publishing). Begun with the late Phil Berger, "Total Boxing" will be available "after I finish it."

Give me your top five heavyweights of all time.

You mean the five best, or who would win if they fought?

What's your difference?

These guys have gotten huge. I don't think Lennox Lewis is nearly as good as Rocky Marciano, but there's no doubt in my mind that given a 50-pound weight advantage he could simply smother Rocky if they fought. He wouldn't hurt him, but he'd smother him.
OK, five best heavyweights, pound for pound.

Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis ...