Morales moving up? Pacquiao rematch off?

[Stickman]

Let me tell you a little bit about the history of boxing and how fights more lopsided than this ended up much differently in a rematch. You are a joke man. I bet you support Morales/Barrera4. Damn idiots don't make no sense. The fight was competitive and it looked to me that Pac has a very good shot at winning a rematch. I seem to see a trend here. Barrera don't want no more of Pac as stated in his interview. Marquez don't want none of Pac, Morales fans don't want to see a rematch because Morales will just whoop on Pac again. Lets get real fellas. Yall just ******. A REMATCH WOULD BE GOOD ALL AROUND. For the fighters, the sport, the fans.

What is it? It seems that only Morales, Barrera, and Marquez get the benifit of the doubt with the Mexican nuthuggers.

No, I'm not interested in MAB/EM 4. I think 3 was more than enough. I'd like to see either of these two against Marquez, actually. That'd be a great fight.

If Manny were a more accomplished "boxer", rather than being mostly a really fast-handed slugger, I'd be all for a rematch. He'd have a far more legitimate chance at a win, but he isn't, and I just don't care to see that played out again. We already know he's not going to land a single punch on Morales and win by KO or TKO, and we already know he can't outbox Erik. What's the point? He's just not quite in the same class as Morales, as a boxer. He will be in time, I expect, but not right now. And again, if he can't outbox him, or knock him out, it'll probably end up with another decision win by Morales, only this time it would probably be a wider and more convincing decision...and of course there's also the possibility that Manny might get TKO'd late.

Sorry you think I'm a joke, but I figure a fella can't get everybody to like him unless he's a a two-faced liar, and I'm just not that way

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The judges were generous for pac with the 115-113. I know it dont mean much coming from someone who was rooting for Morales, so far most boxers i've seen coment on the fight agree Morales dominated most of the fight.

Anyway, i think Morales can move up in peace and try to make MORE history.

By the way i read on another site that the reason Barrera kept the WBC belt is to try and stop the "Morales-Express" by fighting for the Vacant WBC title if Castillo wins and moves up. He would have dibs on fighting for the title since he is Super Featherweight champ. Unless he is fighting Morales i doubt Barrera will fight anyone of note for the title basically just raining on Morales' party.

[Bozo_no no]

I still see people missing key points and spouting non sense.

It was a very close competitive fight.

A rematch would be great for the division and the fans.

Aside from that, anything else said to the contrary is whining about it.

[djdiesel]

mmmm..if Morales goes up and stated himself "I will fight whomever the people want me to fight", he makes himself look bad. Everybody wants to see a rematch..you cant deny that. So many questions unsolved if this particular fight doesn't go through. I still respect Morales epecially after the fight..but Barerra can eat a fat one..paper champ..bring it!!!

[Bozo_no no]

It was a very close competitive fight. Saying Morales dominated is fooling yourself. I was at the fight, and nearly everyone I spoke to had it within one round.


"If Manny were a more accomplished boxer, I'd be all for a rematch. He'd have a far more legitimate chance at a win, but he isn't, and I just don't care to see that played out again. What's the point? He's just not quite in the same class as Morales, as a boxer."

How you can see the 1st fight (which Morales won by ONE round) and a fight in which Manny still made close despite not being able to see, and say you don't want to see it again is mind boggeling.

It was a fantastic fight, and with how close it was, that makes a rematch all the more desireable.

It was just as close as the 1st Morales Barrera fight, and that warrented another two fights.

Some of you just have no clue.

[Stickman]

It was a very close competitive fight. Saying Morales dominated is fooling yourself. I was at the fight, and nearly everyone I spoke to had it within one round.


"If Manny were a more accomplished boxer, I'd be all for a rematch. He'd have a far more legitimate chance at a win, but he isn't, and I just don't care to see that played out again. What's the point? He's just not quite in the same class as Morales, as a boxer."

How you can see the 1st fight (which Morales won by ONE round) and a fight in which Manny still made close despite not being able to see, and say you don't want to see it again is mind boggeling.

It was a fantastic fight, and with how close it was, that makes a rematch all the more desireable.

It was just as close as the 1st Morales Barrera fight, and that warrented another two fights.

Some of you just have no clue.

Bozo, you need to watch the fight again, honestly. Manny wasn't humiliated, by any means, but he was soundly outboxed throughout the fight. And the cut itself was a direct result of his frustration at not being able to tag Morales like he wanted. He lunged in frustration, trying to get in quick land a big shot, and bumped heads in the process. Nobody's saying that it wasn't a good fight, or that Manny gave a poor performance (well, at least I'm not). It's just that he isn't quite in the same class as Morales, as a boxer. He's not miles below him, just a few yards. And until Manny's actual boxing skills are on par with Morales (and they probably never will be...he'll need a few years, and Morales will most likely be in a higher weight class, or retired by then), he won't really stand a legitimate chance at a win. He'll have a puncher's chance, but considering Erik's chin, even that chance is extremely small.

And seriously, watch the fight again. Watch how Manny gets rattled and runs across the ring when Morales puts serious offensive pressure on him. That's just a sign of inexperience. Nothing to be ashamed of, everyone has to learn. And up until now, Manny's fast hands and hard left have been enough for him, but he's competing at the highest levels in his division now, and can't expect to beat someone who has the experience, skill and chin to take away the advantages of Manny's speed and power. And all the Pacman fans should consider themselves lucky that Manny didn't get that rematch with Marquez. Marquez hits harder than Morales, is a far better counterpuncher, at least his equal as a boxer, and would probably have KO'd or TKO'd Manny in a rematch, in mid or late rounds. That sort of loss would've been far more difficult to come back from than a decision loss to Morales.

[Zn1]

Jones was talking about the Arce fight. He said these r the 2 best back to back ive ever seen.

well if i ever watch it again ill pay more attention.

whos arce

[Slipx]

If I were Morales, I wouldn't give that overhyped, excuse-ridden opponent a rematch either.

Because you see, Morales moving up and not rematching him will instill a memory in Paciauo forever, a memory of him getting owned. Morales does not want to modify that. He wants to keep it the way it is, which is smart, and I would do the same thing.


That's like Buster beating Mike and Mike immediately wanting a rematch, of course a true warrior gives the rematch but the smart, spiteful thing to do is to just 'get out while you can', take your winnings and get the **** out, unlike Holyfield.

[Bozo_no no]

Stickman you're the one who needs to watch the fight again.

I was at the fight, and have seen the tape several times.

Someone isn't thoroughly "outboxed" or "owned" (idiot in the post above me) when the score was 115-113. All 3 judges and everyone I talked to saw it that way.

In case you can't comprehend the scope of that, if there was ONE round scored the other way, its a draw.

"And until Manny's actual boxing skills are on par with Morales he won't really stand a legitimate chance at a win."

You mean like this 1st fight where he lost by 1 round? That's a far cry from having no chance at winning. He may not box as good as Morales, but his agression and power won him 5 of 12 rounds in a fight where he couldn't see some of Morales' shots comming for half the fight.


It was a very close fight, and when you consider that Manny made it close not being able to see out of one eye for half the fight, it all the more warrents a rematch.

That's all I've been saying all along.

Its just really sickening to see a bunch of you talking about the fight being so one sided it doesn't warrent a rematch. Bull ****.

It was within one round. Combine that with the fact it was such an exciting fight and a great PPV seller, and it very much warrents a 2nd fight.

[Stickman]

Stickman you're the one who needs to watch the fight again.

I was at the fight, and have seen the tape several times.

Someone isn't thoroughly "outboxed" or "owned" (idiot in the post above me) when the score was 115-113. All 3 judges and everyone I talked to saw it that way.

In case you can't comprehend the scope of that, if there was ONE round scored the other way, its a draw.

"And until Manny's actual boxing skills are on par with Morales he won't really stand a legitimate chance at a win."

You mean like this 1st fight where he lost by 1 round? That's a far cry from having no chance at winning. He may not box as good as Morales, but his agression and power won him 5 of 12 rounds in a fight where he couldn't see some of Morales' shots comming for half the fight.


It was a very close fight, and when you consider that Manny made it close not being able to see out of one eye for half the fight, it all the more warrents a rematch.

That's all I've been saying all along.

Its just really sickening to see a bunch of you talking about the fight being so one sided it doesn't warrent a rematch. Bull ****.

It was within one round. Combine that with the fact it was such an exciting fight and a great PPV seller, and it very much warrents a 2nd fight.

I've seen it 3 times. I think that's enough. And the score doesn't always reflect how a fight actually goes, and you know it. Morales was in control of the fight throughout. He didn't humiliate Manny, but there was enough difference in skill level that nobody could've given it to Manny. And those rounds that I did give to Pacman, I did so because of his higher work rate in those rounds, or because he landed a few bigger shots than Erik, not because he was controlling the round. And a case could be made for giving Erik more of the closer rounds just because of ring generalship, and effective counters. The judges liked punchers, or the fight would've have been as close as it was on their cards.



And I never said it was one-sided, I just said that Morales very clearly won. A one-sided fight would be more like a Klitchko/Williams beating. This was just a case of a more experienced and skilled fighter edging out a less experienced and less skilled opponent.