Morales moving up? Pacquiao rematch off?

[Mr. Untouchable]

Morales moving up? Pacquiao rematch off?

Honestly, was it really boring for you?



Nope.

Yeah it was boring for me, after the first 3 rounds pacquiao was only in the fight when morales let him in the fight, I was pissed off because I really wanted to see morales get knocked out, but from what I saw, if they fought again I honestly think morales will knock pacquaio out in 5 rounds or less...

[Bozo_no no]

Stickman, I don't agree with your take in the least.

Morales had a slight edge and deserved the nod without a doubt.

But using words like "Schooling" "Clear cut" and "Owned" are a joke.

You saw in this fight that Morales had the edge in skill (which was never in question).

But you also saw that Manny (with his speed agression and power) made it very competitive. So much so that 1 round seperated a Morales win from a draw.

Regardless of how or why the cut happened, Manny couldn't see propperlly for half the fight, and still made it within a round.

The bottom line, is that more than warrents a rematch.

It was a competive fight, a fan favorite, and a strong PPV draw.

I'm not saying its the end of the world if a rematch doesn't happen, but there's a list of reasons why it should.

Anyone trying to counter that with: "Morales won clearly enough there doesn't need to be another fight" is a joke.

Again, it was just as close as any of the MAB vs Morales fights, and there was 3 of them.

[Bogler]

Yeah it was boring for me, after the first 3 rounds pacquiao was only in the fight when morales let him in the fight, I was pissed off because I really wanted to see morales get knocked out, but from what I saw, if they fought again I honestly think morales will knock pacquaio out in 5 rounds or less...

5 rounds or less? then why o why can't he knock down manny who's fighting w/ half his vision half of the fight? u still honestly think so?

[Stickman]

Stickman, I don't agree with your take in the least.

Morales had a slight edge and deserved the nod without a doubt.

But using words like "Schooling" "Clear cut" and "Owned" are a joke.

You saw in this fight that Morales had the edge in skill (which was never in question).

But you also saw that Manny (with his speed agression and power) made it very competitive. So much so that 1 round seperated a Morales win from a draw.

Regardless of how or why the cut happened, Manny couldn't see propperlly for half the fight, and still made it within a round.

The bottom line, is that more than warrents a rematch.

It was a competive fight, a fan favorite, and a strong PPV draw.

I'm not saying its the end of the world if a rematch doesn't happen, but there's a list of reasons why it should.

Anyone trying to counter that with: "Morales won clearly enough there doesn't need to be another fight" is a joke.

Again, it was just as close as any of the MAB vs Morales fights, and there was 3 of them.

There's a big difference between this fight we're discussing, and the MAB/EM fights. The first two between Barrera and Morales were very controversial decisions. In fact, I had the opposite fighter winning on my cards than did the judges. Close fights, granted, but still very controversial decisions in both cases. Hence the rubbermatch. And Barrera and Morales are far closer to one another in skill than Pacman and Morales. Had Marquez fought Manny before Barrera did, and laid down that blueprint on how to beat Pacman for him like he did for Morales, it's entirely possible that fight would've resulted in a L for Manny as well, though it's hard to say...I don't think MAB's chin is quite as solid as Morales'.


P.S.
I didn't use the terms "Schooled", or "Owned"....I don't talk like that...but I did state that Morales clearly won the fight, which is purely fact, nothing less.

[Bozo_no no]

You didn't use those terms but others did.

Not only do I disagree with your take, I disagree with the whole outlook you're giving me.

The Morales vs Barrera fights were different because they were closer in skill?

Its not a "skill" contest, its boxing. This encompasses skill, power, agression, damage.

Just because the MAB vs Barrera fights were close because of a even match in skill doesn't mean the Pacquiao vs Morales fight wasn't just as close despite Morales being the more skilled fighter.

Look at Mayorga outpointing Vernon Forrest as an example. Mayorga was much less skilled. That doesn't mean he didn't win more rounds.

A close fight is a close fight regardless of the skill or style.

Morales vs Pacquiao was a one round fight for Morales, in which Manny couldn't see for half the fight. There was nothing dominating or clear about that win.

Thus, (and for the 3rd time) a rematch is more than jusitfied.

[Stickman]

You didn't use those terms but others did.

Not only do I disagree with your take, I disagree with the whole outlook you're giving me.

The Morales vs Barrera fights were different because they were closer in skill?

Its not a "skill" contest, its boxing. This encompasses skill, power, agression, damage.

Just because the MAB vs Barrera fights were close because of a even match in skill doesn't mean the Pacquiao vs Morales fight wasn't just as close despite Morales being the more skilled fighter.

Look at Mayorga outpointing Vernon Forrest as an example. Mayorga was much less skilled. That doesn't mean he didn't win more rounds.

A close fight is a close fight regardless of the skill or style.

Morales vs Pacquiao was a one round fight for Morales, in which Manny couldn't see for half the fight. There was nothing dominating or clear about that win.

Thus, (and for the 3rd time) a rematch is more than jusitfied.

I think you're missing my point about comparing these seperate fights. The MAB/EM fights were contraversial, in that most people who watched those first two fights (that I know) had the opposite fighter winning on their cards than did the judges. That, if nothing else, is grounds for a rematch.

And yes, fights can be close even though skill levels aren't, but that usually takes smarts on the part of the one that's slightly lesser skilled. Mayorga and Forrest is a good example. Mayorga was blessed with a Vernon who fought Ricardo's fight, rather than his own, and paid for it with a loss (twice). It happens. But that wasn't the case with the EM/MP fight. It wasn't contraversial, and the lesser skilled fighter didn't miraculously pull off a decision win against a more experienced opponent.

And I'm not saying these two should never fight again. If they want to fight a rematch, cool on 'em. I'd watch it (wouldn't pay $50 for it, though) and I'd enjoy it, but I'd pick the same winner I did in the first fight...EM by non-contraversial decision, or possibly late round TKO. I tried to tell people weeks before this fight happened, just how it'd turn out, but everybody was in love with Manny's power. Hell, I am too. He's great fun to watch, puts on a helluva show. But I wouldn't, not for a second, believe he has a chance of winning in a rematch, no matter what gloves they use, and whether he gets cut or not. Morales is too professional, and too skilled to allow Pacman to have his way. And this, more than anything else, is why I don't think a rematch is warranted, or should be called for. If they choose to have a rematch, great. But the fans have no legitimate grounds for demanding one other than it just being a good fight.

[Bozo_no no]

Well that's where we disagree.

Because in their first fight, it was in Morlaes favor by a round.

Seeing that and thinking that Manny has little chance in a rematch when their 1st fight was a round away from a draw is shallow thinking.

I think you wathced the fight, and saw what you wanted to see. A one round difference would have made that fight a draw.

There was nothing clear cut about that win in the least. Morales edged out Pacquiao. Your assertion that his skill puts the fight out of reach for Pacquiao is completely without merrit.


And you're reasoning about a rematch is really shallow as well. If "they" want?

Its always the fans and popular opinion that drives a rematch. Add to that Morales own comment: "If the fans want to see us do it again, we will".

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

There was no edging out, Morales kept pacquiao at bay and thats that.

He made Pacquiao do full speed retreats, feinted him and popped him in front of everyone which was probably what Roy was referring to. Believe it or not Pacquiao was embarrased and if he wasnt he should have been. He was supposed to be the puncher, and It was Morales who litterally chased him across the ring pinned him in a corner, acted like he was gonna throw a overhand right, to which pacquiao reacted and Morales slapped him with the left and more than once.

Ring Generalship and effective aggressiveness... Morales won a CLEAR cut victory, no doubt. The judges were generous to pac, everytime pac landed something big, Morales would retaliate in kind often time shaking up or stunning Pacquiao. Morales kept probing him by boxing him a bit then testing him with big shots here and there and Pacquiao could feel it as he simply could not stand his ground.

I mean seriously Morales did exactly what freddie roach and Pac said was to their advantage.. turns out it was to Morales advantage as pacquiao would basically nearly run away when the heavy exchanges started, and i hate to gloat but this was a point that i mentioned a while back would be one of the determining factors in the fight.

[Stickman]

Well that's where we disagree.

Because in their first fight, it was in Morlaes favor by a round.

Seeing that and thinking that Manny has little chance in a rematch when their 1st fight was a round away from a draw is shallow thinking.

I think you wathced the fight, and saw what you wanted to see. A one round difference would have made that fight a draw.

There was nothing clear cut about that win in the least. Morales edged out Pacquiao. Your assertion that his skill puts the fight out of reach for Pacquiao is completely without merrit.


And you're reasoning about a rematch is really shallow as well. If "they" want?

Its always the fans and popular opinion that drives a rematch. Add to that Morales own comment: "If the fans want to see us do it again, we will".

I watched the fight 3 times, though I only scored it the first time seeing it. And just so you know, when I watch a fight (especially when it's not live and I'm not particularly interested in the prefight, etc.) I usually watch it with the volume down low, or completely off, so I'm not influenced by the ringside announcers, pressrow scoring, Lederman, etc. And I had Morales by 2 rounds, not 1, on my scorecards, and probably could've given him another one easily, though I was trying to be fair to Manny's power and his good offensive work when he was able to get off.

I'm very impartial when I'm scoring a fight or picking a winner in an upcoming bout. The biggest reason I'm impartial is because I often put money on a fighter who's an underdog with the bookies, but I have picked to win. Winky Wright Vs. Tito Trinidad is one of those, and I've got a ****load of cash riding on that one. And my pick rate is about 90% this year so far. If I'm ****** enough to start picking just the guys I like instead of those that I honestly think will win, I'll start losing my ass quick.

Anyway, if the fans want a rematch no skin off my nose, but there's nothing that can be complained about in the loss, other than being outboxed......not sufficient grounds for a public outcry for a rematch in my opinion.

[Bozo_no no]

Ultimate, Judging from your photos, you're a really unbiased source.

The scores were not generous, the were unanimous. As was the overall sentiment at the fight.

A 115-113 fight is an edging, and it was while Manny fought half the fight with limited vision.

You're seeing what you want to see, and superimposing it on the overall fight.

It was very close and very competitive.

Definatly warrenting a rematch no matter how you look at it.