Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[Neuraxis]

That may be true about the "fanboys." But those who keep championing DM are missing one point: if he'd wanted the fight so bad, he could have come over to LV anytime to do it. It is his dependence on European locales that kept this fight from happening.

Its beyond me why you would expect DM to come to fight RJJ in America where the judges would have biased in favor of RJJ so they never would have given him a fair shake and where RJJ was offering him chump change.

[Neuraxis]

Hypothetically speaking ... if you'd never seen Roy fight and did see only Darius who the **** would you be picking now?

The same guy but you'd be ignorant as **** concerning Roy. Hmm, maybe you are anyway.

I haven't seen Darius but many of my friends have who are great boxing guys. I've discussed this on a level unlikely to be matched here but I've yet to see many guys who fairly glow talkin about Mich's skills without a protagonist.

Lessee, he's aggressive, can take a punch, slow ...

You'll have to help out here, that's all I've heard.

That's because I'm guessing they've only seen DM vs. Hall I and II, Harmon, and Gonzalez. Which is not DM during his prime. And RJJ would easily have beaten that DM. In fact I'd pick RJJ if they fought anytime after 2000 except for the Jones that showed up against Johnson. DM was not slow during his prime either so that's the dead give away that they havne't seen a prime DM.

[Neuraxis]

With DM it was as much his fault the fight didn't happen as it was Jones. He could have come here, if he really wanted the fight. Jones refused to fight across seas, and this guy refused to. It's silly to say Jones ducked him.

Also, with Griffin - Jones I. Were we all watching the same fight? Jones lost a bunch of rounds early, but he was on an upward curve. He was going to beat Griffin. Even if his punch was illegal, he would have won on points, or KOed him later. He had put him down in the 7th, which would have evened the match. Had he not been DQ'ed the fight would have already been in Jones favor, because of two KD's. The fight would have ended with Griffin losing, just as the second fight did. And let us all remember the second fight where Jones abused Griffin.

Shoalin, the punch that hurt him was illegal. But then again, Griffin wasn't exactly fighting clean either, remember the shoulder?

When deciding on who ducked who, you have to look at the different offers that were being made.

No you are not understanding me. The punch that Jones landed while Griffin was still standing that hurt him so badly was illegal. Jones lost his cool big time during that fight. The first KD was borderline legit too. It was caused mostly by Jones jumping into Griffin. Griffin would have been up even more had the ref not been biased in favor of Jones.

[Shaolin Bushido]

When deciding on who ducked who, you have to look at the different offers that were being made.

No you are not understanding me. The punch that Jones landed while Griffin was still standing that hurt him so badly was illegal. Jones lost his cool big time during that fight. The first KD was borderline legit too. It was caused mostly by Jones jumping into Griffin. Griffin would have been up even more had the ref not been biased in favor of Jones.

I can't disagree with this analysis at except the "first kd was borderline legit". Come on ...

[Shaolin Bushido]

Its beyond me why you would expect DM to come to fight RJJ in America where the judges would have biased in favor of RJJ so they never would have given him a fair shake and where RJJ was offering him chump change.

But it's not beyond you understanding Roy declining invitations to GERMANY where decisions were so one sided many mediocre "champions" reigned despite losing several times in reality?

At least any consideration Roy got from the judges was understandable. Those guys weren't worthy of the title, "champion". They were contenders for the most part playing a role. A role they were cast in by their management.

[Neuraxis]

I can't disagree with this analysis at except the "first kd was borderline legit". Come on ...

Why? Look at how off balance Montell was after Jones jumped into him.

[Neuraxis]

But it's not beyond you understanding Roy declining invitations to GERMANY where decisions were so one sided many mediocre "champions" reigned despite losing several times in reality?

At least any consideration Roy got from the judges was understandable. Those guys weren't worthy of the title, "champion". They were contenders for the most part playing a role. A role they were cast in by their management.

I guess I must have missed the several times that DM lost in reality. Like I said before, he had one decision win from 1997-2005 which was against Hill which wasn't close at all.

[Boxfan12]

You don't know me but you are right. I am a huge RJJ fan and he dominated every fighter he got in the ring with for years.

This,"Michalczewski's jab is so powerfull he could stagger Jones wit his straight left alone.", is bull****.

Jones at his peak and Mich at his; how would that play out again?

Jones jr at his prime was way to damn fast. He would come in from all angles leading with his straight right hand. Left to right, Right to left.

[Neuraxis]

Jones jr at his prime was way to damn fast. He would come in from all angles leading with his straight right hand. Left to right, Right to left.

Agreed it would probably end up something like Hagler vs. Hearns, and I think we all know who would be playing the part of Hearns.

[NAB]

You are not comparing DM to either Hagler or Hearns, are you??