Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[Boxfan12]

Anyone who think's DM ko'ing Roy in 2 is a likely scenario, is a fool, plain and simple. And you call Roy Jones' fans fanboys...wow.



You're joking right? The knockdowns put Jones in the lead and he was on the way to a KO anyway. I don't know if Jones would dominate DM but it certainly isn't out of the question. However, on the flip side you'll find very few people who think DM would have dominated Jones.

Griffin's fight with Jones would be very different than a fight with DM. Of all people you should know that, or did I mistake you for someone with a bit of intellect?

Jones made many of his opponents look like bums and many of them went on to be champs soon after. You cannot detract from Roy for making them look like fools. That's his job. Also, if you look at it objectively, there simply is not enough evidence than your own bias to suggest that Roy ducked "everybody".

Lastly, please hush your mouth about DM getting stiffed for money. He was not considered the champ, or the best in the division. A fight with Roy would have gotten him decent money, at least in the millions, and more importanly it would have gotten him recognition. I bet you criticize Roy for looking at money first, but one might argue that your man DM did just that. Perhaps he saw a fight with Roy with less confidence than what you saw.

Of course DM has no problem fighting Roy in Germany, but you'd be a fool to expect Roy to go there after all the things that have happened there with Beyer, Ottke, DM, and others. Please tell me you are not that naive.

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[Neuraxis]

1) the scorecards are of course after 8 rounds, he means the kds in round 9 legitimate or not would ahve put him ahead on the scorecards

2) Virgil Hill destroyed by dm? maybe but it took dm 12 rounds, while rj did it in 4 rounds... with a bodyshot

3)let's put it this way:
rj did not fight anyone with dm power, ok

so yes there is a chance that he gets KTFO but how big is this chance? cos, you know, just like when you cross the road you have achance of being run over, everytime you step in the ring you have achance of getting KOed

let's see how big is this chance?
did dm fight anyone with rj speed, unorthodox style, ring generalship and, given dm opposition opposition, power?

Saying that someone would be ahead after an illegal KD is not going to cut it. True about Hill, but he was a DM leftover, and every RJJ leftover that DM fought besides Gonzalez, DM finished them (Hall, Harmon, Griffin) off quicker than RJJ could, so I'm not sure how much that means.

No DM did not fight anyone like RJJ, but I'm not saying that it would be a one sided fight either like the naive RJJ fanboys are saying. I am simply giving the nod to power when said power is strong enough to stun badly with a simple jab.

[The Fix]

Saying that someone would be ahead after an illegal KD is not going to cut it. True about Hill, but he was a DM leftover, and every RJJ leftover that DM fought besides Gonzalez, DM finished them (Hall, Harmon, Griffin) off quicker than RJJ could, so I'm not sure how much that means.

No DM did not fight anyone like RJJ, but I'm not saying that it would be a one sided fight either like the naive RJJ fanboys are saying. I am simply giving the nod to power when said power is strong enough to stun badly with a simple jab.

who do you think wins in a match roy jones or DM?
i dont know if you ever said or not, i know you like DM a lot more but i dont remember saying who would win in a match.

[Neuraxis]

who do you think wins in a match roy jones or DM?
i dont know if you ever said or not, i know you like DM a lot more but i dont remember saying who would win in a match.

I've always said that it depends on the year.

1997-1998: Roy was still getting adjusted to LHW while DM was fighting the best of his career, so I'd lean towards DM winning.

1999-2000: I thought was a toss up.

2001-2004: besides the Jones that turned up to fight against Johnson, I'd lean towards RJJ winning because DM really faded during this period.

After 2005: they need to retire.

[The Fix]

I've always said that it depends on the year.

1997-1998: Roy was still getting adjusted to LHW while DM was fighting the best of his career, so I'd lean towards DM winning.

1999-2000: I thought was a toss up.

2001-2004: besides the Jones that turned up to fight against Johnson, I'd lean towards RJJ winning because DM really faded during this period.

After 2005: they need to retire.

what about prime for prime?
i gotta go with roy

[Truth]

Roy Jones was simply incredible when he was in his prime...

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

No DM did not fight anyone like RJJ, but I'm not saying that it would be a one sided fight either like the naive RJJ fanboys are saying. I am simply giving the nod to power when said power is strong enough to stun badly with a simple jab.

DM's power jab ain't going to mean jack if he cannot even hit Roy with it cleanly.

In addition, you claim Hill was a "leftover", which is totally false. Roy was the first one to KO him, and DM didn't take Hill out of his prime in one fight. Hill went on to do notable things in a higher divison.

Saying that someone would be ahead after an illegal KD is not going to cut it. True about Hill, but he was a DM leftover, and every RJJ leftover that DM fought besides Gonzalez, DM finished them (Hall, Harmon, Griffin) off quicker than RJJ could, so I'm not sure how much that means.

You're about to get exposed. Jones was ahead on one card at the time of the DQ vs Griffin, and not more than one round behind on either of the other 2 cards. Even without the KD, Roy was on his way to beating Griffin. Watch the fight again.

Also, how can you say Hill was a leftover and Jones' win over him means little, and yet give credit to DM for stoppin Roy's supposed "leftovers".

By the way, DM did not finish off Griffin quicker, it took him 4 rounds, whereas Roy did it in 1 (or is the 1st fight between Roy and Griffin the only one you count?). You might also like to mention that DM lost every round vs Griffin on GERMAN scorecards until DM got the KO.

Also you're suggestion that DM finished Hall quicker is untrue. Roy won every round vs Hall and then TKO'd him in round 11 in 2000, whereas DM won most of the rounds, but not all, struggled with Hall at times, and then TKO'd him in round 11.

Sometmes you tell the truth, but only part of it at best. And yes, DM did finish Harmon quicker...2 years after RJJ did it.

[Neuraxis]

what about prime for prime?
i gotta go with roy

That all depends on when you consider Jones was in his prime.

[Neuraxis]

DM's power jab ain't going to mean jack if he cannot even hit Roy with it cleanly.

In addition, you claim Hill was a "leftover", which is totally false. Roy was the first one to KO him, and DM didn't take Hill out of his prime in one fight. Hill went on to do notable things in a higher divison.



You're about to get exposed. Jones was ahead on one card at the time of the DQ vs Griffin, and not more than one round behind on either of the other 2 cards. Even without the KD, Roy was on his way to beating Griffin. Watch the fight again.

Also, how can you say Hill was a leftover and Jones' win over him means little, and yet give credit to DM for stoppin Roy's supposed "leftovers".

By the way, DM did not finish off Griffin quicker, it took him 4 rounds, whereas Roy did it in 1 (or is the 1st fight between Roy and Griffin the only one you count?). You might also like to mention that DM lost every round vs Griffin on GERMAN scorecards until DM got the KO.

Also you're suggestion that DM finished Hall quicker is untrue. Roy won every round vs Hall and then TKO'd him in round 11 in 2000, whereas DM won most of the rounds, but not all, struggled with Hall at times, and then TKO'd him in round 11.

Sometmes you tell the truth, but only part of it at best. And yes, DM did finish Harmon quicker...2 years after RJJ did it.

If you reread my post, I said that fact that each fighter finished off the other's leftovers means little. I didn't give props to DM while snubbing RJJ over this. DM finished off Griffin during his first try in 4 rounds. Roy didn't finish him off during their first fight, and he got DQ'd trying to do so. Right on the scoring which is why I don't know why so many of you persecute Universum. Perhaps Sauderland (SP?) and Universum are different. I can't think of any unfair Universum decisions off the top of my head like I easily can for Sauderland. DM like Hopkins was a slow starter, and I had it 2 rounds to 1 in the Griffin fight with Griffin on his way to losing the 4th big time. DM finished off Hall 9 seconds before RJJ did, and then in the rematch he TKO'd him in 10 rounds. I missed where you "exposed" me.

[The Fix]

That all depends on when you consider Jones was in his prime.

from his stay at 168 to his victory of john ruiz