Roy Jones Jr and his "Greatness" ???

[Run]

Roy Jones is a great fighter. The last two fights when he lost to Tarver and Johnson were fixed.

There is no way on earth the Tarver fight was fixed. Nor was the damn Johnson fight!. He got KTFO, really bad. Was he lying on the canvas for 10 minutes because RJJ was faking it? what the hell?





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[Kid Achilles]

I dunno man, his head still looks firmly attached in that photo and he shows no signs of bleeding out of his anus. I think he could have gotten up.

FIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joeboxer]

I put Deuskie on the ignore list. I recommend that you all do the same.

[michael_Q]

he's powerful but he has never been that challenged. he took a beating against johnson and a huge KO from tarver. .... all time great? nah... he's far from true fighters who has the passion fighting not for bling blings and money.

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

Anyone who think's DM ko'ing Roy in 2 is a likely scenario, is a fool, plain and simple. And you call Roy Jones' fans fanboys...wow.

Yeah and Griffin was owning him in the first fight, so what's your point.

You're joking right? The knockdowns put Jones in the lead and he was on the way to a KO anyway. I don't know if Jones would dominate DM but it certainly isn't out of the question. However, on the flip side you'll find very few people who think DM would have dominated Jones.

Griffin's fight with Jones would be very different than a fight with DM. Of all people you should know that, or did I mistake you for someone with a bit of intellect?

Jones made many of his opponents look like bums and many of them went on to be champs soon after. You cannot detract from Roy for making them look like fools. That's his job. Also, if you look at it objectively, there simply is not enough evidence than your own bias to suggest that Roy ducked "everybody".

Lastly, please hush your mouth about DM getting stiffed for money. He was not considered the champ, or the best in the division. A fight with Roy would have gotten him decent money, at least in the millions, and more importanly it would have gotten him recognition. I bet you criticize Roy for looking at money first, but one might argue that your man DM did just that. Perhaps he saw a fight with Roy with less confidence than what you saw.

Of course DM has no problem fighting Roy in Germany, but you'd be a fool to expect Roy to go there after all the things that have happened there with Beyer, Ottke, DM, and others. Please tell me you are not that naive.

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

he took a beating against johnson and a huge KO from tarver. .... all time great? nah

LOL...you base his career on those fights? You need to watch his career set and you will quickly realize that Roy IS one of the greatest of all time, and he will go down that way because it is true, whether you like it or not.

[michael_Q]

LOL...you base his career on those fights? You need to watch his career set and you will quickly realize that Roy IS one of the greatest of all time, and he will go down that way because it is true, whether you like it or not.

his was not a challenging division. so how can you say so. he fought nobody's. he chose his opponents. hopkins was the only renowned fighter he fought and he could've lost that one. and so when he faced a true fighter in johnson, was that how great he was? i like jones, but im not considering him the best. below the top ten greats i guess... dont get bitter dude.

[Neuraxis]

Anyone who think's DM ko'ing Roy in 2 is a likely scenario, is a fool, plain and simple. And you call Roy Jones' fans fanboys...wow.



You're joking right? The knockdowns put Jones in the lead and he was on the way to a KO anyway. I don't know if Jones would dominate DM but it certainly isn't out of the question. However, on the flip side you'll find very few people who think DM would have dominated Jones.

Griffin's fight with Jones would be very different than a fight with DM. Of all people you should know that, or did I mistake you for someone with a bit of intellect?

Jones made many of his opponents look like bums and many of them went on to be champs soon after. You cannot detract from Roy for making them look like fools. That's his job. Also, if you look at it objectively, there simply is not enough evidence than your own bias to suggest that Roy ducked "everybody".

Lastly, please hush your mouth about DM getting stiffed for money. He was not considered the champ, or the best in the division. A fight with Roy would have gotten him decent money, at least in the millions, and more importanly it would have gotten him recognition. I bet you criticize Roy for looking at money first, but one might argue that your man DM did just that. Perhaps he saw a fight with Roy with less confidence than what you saw.

Of course DM has no problem fighting Roy in Germany, but you'd be a fool to expect Roy to go there after all the things that have happened there with Beyer, Ottke, DM, and others. Please tell me you are not that naive.

Take a look for yourself he was losing. And reread my previous posts about both KDs.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001758

I missed anyone who Jones destroyed at LHW who became a champ. Woods with zero defenses beating an American fraud who couldn't even beat a shot Montell and Hill who DM destroyed first are all you have to offer? I can't think of a single fighter that Jones fought during his prime with DM KO power. Enlighten me, who did he fight with that kind of power? What happened with Beyer and DM? Please tell me.

[wmute]

Take a look for yourself he was losing. And reread my previous posts about both KDs.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001758

I missed anyone who Jones destroyed at LHW who became a champ. Woods with zero defenses beating an American fraud who couldn't even beat a shot Montell and Hill who DM destroyed first are all you have to offer? I can't think of a single fighter that Jones fought during his prime with DM KO power. Enlighten me, who did he fight with that kind of power? What happened with Beyer and DM? Please tell me.

1) the scorecards are of course after 8 rounds, he means the kds in round 9 legitimate or not would ahve put him ahead on the scorecards

2) Virgil Hill destroyed by dm? maybe but it took dm 12 rounds, while rj did it in 4 rounds... with a bodyshot

3)let's put it this way:
rj did not fight anyone with dm power, ok

so yes there is a chance that he gets KTFO but how big is this chance? cos, you know, just like when you cross the road you have achance of being run over, everytime you step in the ring you have achance of getting KOed

let's see how big is this chance?
did dm fight anyone with rj speed, unorthodox style, ring generalship and, given dm opposition opposition, power?

[Red_Menace]

I think it's not really fair to judge Roy Jones' career based on getting knocked out in those last two fights. Sugar Ray Robinson lost 5 fights in his last year of boxing ... I hope no one would suggest he wasn't any good because of those losses.

Roy Jones was a terrific boxer. I think it's pretty hard to make a case that he wasn't.