HBO 24/7 ratings are significantly down with Pacquiao/Cotto.

[Easy-E]

have any of them reached mainstream appeal like Ali or Tyson? that's what i'm saying.

No, those are two of the most popular fighters of ALL TIME.
Not just in the United States, in the entire world.
That was not your original statement, btw.

You said non-American fighters have never had mainstream appeal. I provided legitimate answers, and you countered that they are not as popular as Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali.

[The Underboss]

Since when is Floyd popular? I thought everyone hated him and only bought his fights to see him get knocked out?
And Hatton carried the Pac fight PPV wise in the US, and the Mayweather fight was high profile.

how the hell did he got 1.0 million in PPV buys against Marquez?
and c'mon man, i'm pretty sure nobody bought the fight to see floyd get KO'ed...they bought it because of floyd's popularity in the US.

[Al Haymon]

True.

pac (with his army of fans) can actually sell the live gate, but when it comes to PPV? not really.

With all due respect to Pac, he has made bad decisions. Miguel also.

I understand if you are from an affluent European market and you can stay home and get caked up.

Kessler, Klitschkos, Calzaghe, and even Sturm make more money than you can imagine.

Kessler's country has 2.5 million tv households. His fight with Gusmyr Perdomo drew 1.4 million households. That is incredible. Kessler's fight with Danilo Haussler drew 1.1 million households. Again, in a country with under 3 million TV's.
Kessler's PPV with calzaghe cost over $100.

Felix Sturm's fights regular have viewing audiences of greater than 5 million in Germany.

Vitali Klitschko's fight with Arreola aired at 5:20am in Germany. And it STILL did 2 million viewers. When the K brothers fight in Germany, they make $5 million paydays.

Over in Asia, that Japanese guy Kameda gets 50 million (50 MILLION) viewers for his fights.


So, all of this is to say that I UNDERSTAND why they want to go back home. But don't be mad when the American audience is slow to embrace you.

[Easy-E]

notice how the boxers you named are all americans .

what do you want? popular international boxers like pac and cotto WHO CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH properly do commercials? what would be the american viewers' reaction to it? .

that's why the american media never bothers with athletes who are not american.

Yeah Manny Rameriez, David Ortiz, Ichiro and Yao Ming are certianly not bothered with.

[Sammy2g3]

I think because people want to hear what Floyd has to say. Pac and Cotto, there really isn't any excitement outside the fight. Especially when Marquez drank that piss, everyone was talking about that.

[Easy-E]

how the hell did he got 1.0 million in PPV buys against Marquez?
and c'mon man, i'm pretty sure nobody bought the fight to see floyd get KO'ed...they bought it because of floyd's popularity in the US.

In cause you couldn't tell (which you obviously couldn't) I was sarcastically spouting the sentiment on this boxing forum that Floyd is not a popular fighter.

Would you say that Floyd deserves more $ in a Pac v Mayweather rematch?

[The Underboss]

Yeah Manny Rameriez, David Ortiz, Ichiro and Yao Ming are certianly not bothered with.

baseball/basketball is bigger than boxing.

boxing's popularity has decreased for years.

the top american sports are baseball/basketball/football..with football being the #1.

[The Underboss]

In cause you couldn't tell (which you obviously couldn't) I was sarcastically spouting the sentiment on this boxing forum that Floyd is not a popular fighter.

Would you say that Floyd deserves more $ in a Pac v Mayweather rematch?

I would say Floyd, that's if Pac wants a piece of the mainstream that is...

that's the fight everybody wants to see but it's not going to happen.

[Al Haymon]

baseball/basketball is bigger than boxing.

boxing's popularity has decreased for years.

the top american sports are baseball/basketball/football..with football being the #1.

The Boss is right in that you can't compare the big 3 (four?) sports to boxing.

We hear Yao's name because he plays 100 games per year. We hear Big Papi's name because he plays 200 games a year.

Manny Pacquiao will have 2 fights per year. And then go home. It just isn't possible to have the same exposure. UNLESS Pac makes a conscious effort to stay here between fights and make a name.

[MASSMAN]

Big events are great but....

MassMan,

I think the best thing for boxing is to have 'BIG EVENTS'.

Floyd could have come back and won a comfortable decision against Collazo or Quintana. I assume that is the type of mid-tier WW that you are talking about.

Well, can you say "Mayweather Collazo 24/7". Seriously. "Countdown to Mayweather-Quintana'?

We are past the "weight classes" now. You guys are anachronistic...and selectively so. The business of boxing has changed. Look at every top guy and tell me that they aren't ALL fighting across weight classes.


Here are Floyd's last fights:

Marquez: a LW moving up 2 classes
Hatton: a JWW moving up one class
Delahoya: a JMW with Floyd moving up
Baldomir: a legit WW

Here are Hopkins' last fights:

Pavlik: a MW moving up 2 classes
Calzaghe: a SMW moving up one class
Wright: a MW moving up 2 classes
Tarver: a legit LHW


What is the difference?

When floyd went and fought a much bigger Oscar, nobody was complaining.

BIG "COMPETITIVE" EVENTS ARE EVEN BETTER FOR THE SPORT. A Big event becomes boring when the fight is not competitive or when you already know the outcome of the fight. I understand that the sport of boxing has now become a sport of "who can I make the most money fighting against as dictated by HBO". The difference is, and I am specifically talking about Floyd vs Marquez, is that it was a total mismatch. Floyd vs Collazo may not have been as BIG of an event, but it damn sure would have been a more competitive fight.

FLOYD vs MOSLEY is a "BIG COMPETITIVE FIGHT"
FLOYD VS WILLIAMS is a "BIG COMPETITIVE FIGHT"
FLOYD VS COTTO is a "BIG COMPETITIVE FIGHT"

Mayweather makes the fight "BIG", the 3 fighters that I have mentioned, I believe, makes the fights "COMPETITIVE"