HBO 24/7 ratings are significantly down with Pacquiao/Cotto.

[The Underboss]

Does Yao Ming and Jackie Chan ring a bell? Bad english could be good in so many ways.

True..but those 2 (acting and basketball) are bigger than boxing....

remember when Wlad (who SPEAKS better english than cotto/pac) went to Conan O'brien 2 years before facing Ibragimov? did that help boost up the popularity of international boxers in boxing?? I don't think so.

If you can provide me with proof then i'll eat my words and stop posting for today.

[The Underboss]

Well, those are the top guys. Why did you stop there? What about the next paragraph?

If Hatton had decided to parlay his personality here stateside, he could have been huge. Well, except for that whole getting-knocked-unconscious-in-every-fight thing.

even with his funny personality he still wouldn't gotten respect or the mainstream popularity like floyd gets.

[Al Haymon]

Yes, I would have rather watched Mayweather fight a legitimate welterweight who had a chance at being competitive, than to see Mayweather beat a Lightweight that I knew didnt have a chance at competing.

MassMan,

I think the best thing for boxing is to have 'BIG EVENTS'.

Floyd could have come back and won a comfortable decision against Collazo or Quintana. I assume that is the type of mid-tier WW that you are talking about.

Well, can you say "Mayweather Collazo 24/7". Seriously. "Countdown to Mayweather-Quintana'?

We are past the "weight classes" now. You guys are anachronistic...and selectively so. The business of boxing has changed. Look at every top guy and tell me that they aren't ALL fighting across weight classes.


Here are Floyd's last fights:

Marquez: a LW moving up 2 classes
Hatton: a JWW moving up one class
Delahoya: a JMW with Floyd moving up
Baldomir: a legit WW

Here are Hopkins' last fights:

Pavlik: a MW moving up 2 classes
Calzaghe: a SMW moving up one class
Wright: a MW moving up 2 classes
Tarver: a legit LHW


What is the difference?

When floyd went and fought a much bigger Oscar, nobody was complaining.

[The Underboss]

Hey pass your message on to anyone who says that Pac brings more to the table or is a bigger atrraction than floyd. Oh and dnt forget those that claim Pac automatically deserves the lions share if they fight.

True.

pac (with his army of fans) can actually sell the live gate, but when it comes to PPV? not really.

[Easy-E]

The point is there's people who become very high caliber draws but the kings are all American.

what does ppv king have to do with having mainstream appeal?
And no, that was not the point.
The point was that no non-american fighter has garnered mainstream appeal in the United States, which I disputed.
Look at the original post.

[Easy-E]

ok...but have they gotten that appeal in the US?

how many fights it took lennox lewis to get big mainstream appeal in the US? alot right? even after defeating tyson...american fans still didn't give him the respect he deserved...why? because he's not american.

that bull**** that they say about him not having the ''spark'' that tyson had (in which they thought was the reason why nobody respected lewis) it's COMPLETE CRAP!

There is a difference in being respected as one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all time and having mainstream appeal.
Americans watched Lennox's fights.
Trinidad was part of the biggest PPV fight of all time until 2007.

[The Underboss]

what does ppv king have to do with having mainstream appeal?
And no, that was not the point.
The point was that no non-american fighter has garnered mainstream appeal in the United States, which I disputed.
Look at the original post.

have any of them reached mainstream appeal like Ali or Tyson? that's what i'm saying.

[The Underboss]

There is a difference in being respected as one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all time and having mainstream appeal.
Americans watched Lennox's fights.
Trinidad was part of the biggest PPV fight of all time until 2007.

Ask any American who Trinidad was...then ask them if they know who Tyson is.

You'll get it.

[Easy-E]

even with his funny personality he still wouldn't gotten respect or the mainstream popularity like floyd gets.

Since when is Floyd popular? I thought everyone hated him and only bought his fights to see him get knocked out?
And Hatton carried the Pac fight PPV wise in the US, and the Mayweather fight was high profile.

[Easy-E]

Ask any American who Trinidad was...then ask them if they know who Tyson is.

You'll get it.

So Tyson was more popular than Trinidad?
So what, he is one of the most popular fighters of all time.
That does not mean Tito did not have mainstream appeal.