HBO 24/7 ratings are significantly down with Pacquiao/Cotto.

[thealfa]

um 24/7 is only recent with DLH vs. Gayweather. Wasn't that the first ever? WHo cares about its ratings?

[madsweeney]

you actually watch that?

LOL no, I was just proving a point. People seem to expect 24/7 to be nothing but drama and **** talking, if I wanted that I'd just turn on MTV and watch the real drama queens.

[Kevin Jesus]

I'm def buying this fight but I don't see how 24/7 is attracting the casual fans to buy this fight.

If only the "real boxing fans" are going to buy this PPV then expect to see 600k as a success. And Top Rank isn't doing a very good job of promoting this fight neither.

At the same time, Pacquiao is at his prime in everything, fame, boxing skills, and he's also a celebrity so if this fight does good numbers then thank Pacquiao, not 24/7 or Miguel Cotto. If it does bad numbers, blame 24/7 and Top Rank for poor promotion.

Goldenboy Promotions would make this fight sell 1mill+, while Top Rank settles for the least as long as "real boxing fans" liked it. The sport is not gonna go anywhere with promoters like Top Rank, GBP is moving the sport forward.

[big_james10]

I think that's because most Pac fans on this thread are not from America so they're thinking in global terms, not just in America. I think they're comparable in popularity in the US now, however across the globe Pac has more support. PBF portrays the materialistic, elitist ******* that many Americans love to watch, however, the rest of the world dislikes.

Assuming what you are saying is true, how many fights has Pac fought in the Phillipines or anywhere outside of the U.S. since winning the 122 pound championship? IF Pac has more support as you say, he should be fighting in England or Mexico or anywhere else where he has so much support he could sell out soccer stadiums. However, he is fighting all of his fights in the U.S. Pac has more VOCAL support on this website than Floyd, but in terms of actual revenue generated, the numbers speak for themselves.

[D.I.E.S.E.L]

LOL no, I was just proving a point. People seem to expect 24/7 to be nothing but drama and **** talking, if I wanted that I'd just turn on MTV and watch the real drama queens.

well 24/7 is about drama and **** talking. That's the point. You think we watch it for the training? What are they going to show on 24/7 in terms of training that matters come fight night? Most of the time they don't show anything, they edit out what we'd like to see. For example, when Cotto was sparring; is that what you wanted to see, some still pics of punches thrown?

I want the drama, blood, ****-talking, short fuses; not lovie-dovie lets all get along.


24/7 was made so we can't wait to watch the fight; for promotion, it used to serve that purpose. Now it doesn't. They edit too much from it

[Al Haymon]

You need to take a long look in the mirror buddy because you obviously are prejudice.

I'm not racist. I'm a dog lover (see profile pic). And my patience is admittedly short for people who abuse animals.

Mad, here is the data...which has already been posted in this thread but you may have missed it. READ THIS ENTIRE POST.

This information is from Thomas Umstead who reports numbers for Reed Business Information. He writes for a trade paper that I get, "MultiChannel News". Feel free to Google him.

The network's first 24/7 series, created for the De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, captured the personalities of both fighters — as well as their trainers, entourages and families — and became a must-see series for both boxing fans and reality show buffs.

The show averaged more than 4 million viewers per episode, according to HBO.

-Thomas Umstead, MultiChannel News


Now, i must tell you that Mr. Umnstead is not Filipino. so he may not have credibility with you.

The number os "529K live viewers" is not a meaningful number, as I previously stated in post #46...and here's why:


The "live viewers" is not meaningful because HBO rebroadcasts the show many times. And most viewers know this, and plan to catch the show at a later time, or just DVR's the show.

The important figure is the "total viewers", including VOD.

Think about it, how many shows do you watch 'live"? To give fair credit to Pac/cotto/hatton/may/,marq/ etc, you have to look at total viewership. How many people do you think went and watched JMM's 24/7 AFTER they heard that he drank urine?


MADSWEENEY, wouldn't you say that there is a LARGE portion of people who do not watch the "live viewing" (bad term, btw) of the show, but may catch it on DVR or on one of the repeated airings?

When HBO airs a fight, they air it again the next morning. And again. And again. Every subscriber knows this. So, they may not watch the "first airing'. Especially when it is on a Saturday night

HBO is a subscripotion-based service. They don't air commercials. As such, they don't look at the viewership the way, say, NBC would. HBO is MUUUCH more concerned with total viewership than hour-to-hour viewership (or "live viewers") like the networks would be. The networks charge advertisers based on the numbers of "live viewers' of the show they advertised on. HBO doesn't have that revenue model.

I am not saying that the "Boxing Truth's" or Quel's number is wrong. It may very well be right. But it is not meaningful. There is a difference.

Which is more meaningful:

"live viewers": How many people watched the show the first time it aired?
or
"Total viewers": How many people saw the episode, period?

I'll let YOU answer that.

I'm not going to argue with someone who a) has an agenda and is closed-minded, and b) starts calling me grade-school names

Do you understand?

Here's the top 20 for w/e 10/25:

Week ending October 25, 2009
Rank Program Name Net Day Time Viewers
1 MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL ESPN Mon 8:30 PM 13,471,000
2 MLB: NLCS GAME 5 TBS Weds 8:00 PM 7,978,000
3 COLLEGE FOOTBALL: FLORIDA/MISSISSIPPI STATE ESPN Sat 7:27 PM 5,668,000
4 MLB: NLCS GAME 4 TBS Mon 8:00 PM 5,644,000
5 MONK USA Fri 9:00 PM 5,419,000
6 WHITE COLLAR USA Fri 10:00 PM 5,400,000
7 THE JEFF DUNHAM SHOW COM Thu 9:00 PM 5,342,000
8 SUITE LIFE ON DECK DSNY Fri 8:30 PM 5,181,000
9 PENGUINS OF MADAGASCAR NICK Sat 10:30 AM 5,146,000
10 NCIS USA Wed 8:00 PM 5,142,000
11 SPONGEBOB NICK Sat 10:00 AM 4,946,000
12 WWE RAW USA Mon 9:00 PM 4,856,000
13 NCIS USA Wed 9:00 PM 4,534,000
14 WWE RAW USA Mon 10:00 PM 4,426,000
15 WIZARDS OF WAVERLY PLACE DSNY Fri 8:00 PM 4,393,000
16 SPONGEBOB NICK Sun 10:00 AM 4,321,000
17 PENGUINS OF MADAGASCAR NICK Sat 11:00 AM 4,095,000
18 SPONGEBOB NICK Sat 9:30 AM 4,055,000
19 NCIS USA Wed 10:00 PM 4,047,000
20 PENGUINS OF MADAGASCAR NICK Sun 10:30 AM 3,807,000

[madsweeney]

Assuming what you are saying is true, how many fights has Pac fought in the Phillipines or anywhere outside of the U.S. since winning the 122 pound championship? IF Pac has more support as you say, he should be fighting in England or Mexico or anywhere else where he has so much support he could sell out soccer stadiums. However, he is fighting all of his fights in the U.S. Pac has more VOCAL support on this website than Floyd, but in terms of actual revenue generated, the numbers speak for themselves.

Why would he fight outside of the US? The money and the big fights is here. The vast majority of Pac's career was fought in SE Asia but he had to come to the US to move up. His support isn't in Mexico or England (the other major boxing countries) but throughout Asia and there isn't the names or the money that is available in the US.

well 24/7 is about drama and **** talking. That's the point. You think we watch it for the training? What are they going to show on 24/7 in terms of training that matters come fight night? Most of the time they don't show anything, they edit out what we'd like to see. For example, when Cotto was sparring; is that what you wanted to see, some still pics of punches thrown?

I want the drama, blood, ****-talking, short fuses; not lovie-dovie lets all get along.


24/7 was made so we can't wait to watch the fight; for promotion, it used to serve that purpose. Now it doesn't. They edit too much from it

You and I watch for different reasons. I watch to learn more about the boxers personal life and their build up to the fight. **** talking is overrated because in my experience, those with the biggest bark have the weakest bites!

[Al Haymon]

well 24/7 is about drama and **** talking. That's the point. You think we watch it for the training? What are they going to show on 24/7 in terms of training that matters come fight night? Most of the time they don't show anything, they edit out what we'd like to see. For example, when Cotto was sparring; is that what you wanted to see, some still pics of punches thrown?

That's exactly right. People are acting like this is "training camp 24/7". We have had

Oscar-floyd
Floyd-Ricky
Ricky-Pac
Oscar-Pac
Joe-roy
Floyd-Juan

How many real insights have you gotten about training? Honestly?
The 24/7 show is about hype. That's all it is. When it is controversial , offensive, and hype-y, that is when it is good.

[D.I.E.S.E.L]

Why would he fight outside of the US? The money and the big fights is here. The vast majority of Pac's career was fought in SE Asia but he had to come to the US to move up. His support isn't in Mexico or England (the other major boxing countries) but throughout Asia and there isn't the names or the money that is available in the US.



You and I watch for different reasons. I watch to learn more about the boxers personal life and their build up to the fight. **** talking is overrated because in my experience, those with the biggest bark have the weakest bites!

You think your learning about their personal life by watching edited shows? These guys pick and choose what is seen and what isn't. So in the end, what you thought was this....isn't. Don't play yourself

[Al Haymon]

You and I watch for different reasons. I watch to learn more about the boxers personal life and their build up to the fight. **** talking is overrated because in my experience, those with the biggest bark have the weakest bites!

You would watch the fight regardless. So would I.

24/7 isn't for us.