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  • elfag
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    #101
    Originally posted by hugh grant

    Pac best every big opponent floyd beat more dominant than floyd did. Why would Pac need to best nelo? SSM fought Nel o when SSM.was even older and says Pac s toughest he fought. Floyd never fought margarito!
    hopkins and R jj have losses to low ranked boxers too and are greater than calzaghe. When pac lost he obviously wasn't at his best of had off night, or robbed. Every great boxer lost.
    You got to penalise floyd for all his shortcomings too, not turn blind eye. If RJJ,Toney, SSM, Thurman and cotton can penalize floyd why can't floyd fans? People could penalise floyd for his gift wins, home advantage, cautiousness, not fighting toughest opponent choices consistently etc


    Floyd fans try make a case for floyd to be greater than pac, but I don't think you do as good a job as max does

    Pac fought inferior versions of Cotto, DLH, Mosley and Hatton

    Pac had his opportunity to show us how much better he was than mayweather and he ended up beign easily outboxed by a mayweather who cruised in 1st gear

    Pac wasnt even in mayweathers top 5 hardest fights

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    • hugh grant
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      #102
      Originally posted by elfag


      Pac fought inferior versions of Cotto, DLH, Mosley and Hatton

      Pac had his opportunity to show us how much better he was than mayweather and he ended up beign easily outboxed by a mayweather who cruised in 1st gear

      Pac wasnt even in mayweathers top 5 hardest fights
      This is all your opinion that somehow floyd beats better versions than his peers?.Put politely i d say your opinions are a bit of a stretch, and your likely bias. In other people's opinions pac makes people look bad, whilst floyd makes mma fighters,maidanas look better than they are. Did floyd best better version of maid ana than khan, Alexander too. ? Pac would possibly ko maid ana in 2 rounds like he did hatton and you d somehow put a slant on it?

      Floyd didn't look good against pac and I doubt floyd was in pac s top 10 toughest fights more like sparring session, and pac said as much. We know floyd is very good but im.not sure pac rated floyd much at all, never heard pac say what floyd was actually good at. Said floyd didn't do anything. Not sure what I can take from that, well I do actually know but I don't want to be mean to.floyd
      Last edited by hugh grant; 01-07-2026, 08:32 AM.

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      • djtmal
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        #103
        Originally posted by elfag


        Pac fought inferior versions of Cotto, DLH, Mosley and Hatton

        Pac had his opportunity to show us how much better he was than mayweather and he ended up beign easily outboxed by a mayweather who cruised in 1st gear

        Pac wasnt even in mayweathers top 5 hardest fights
        Cotto and Hatton were prime when Manny fought them, and he fought the same shopworn versions of Oscar and Shane than Floyd did

        He showed how much better he was than Floyd by having Floyd avoid fighting him when he was at his peak

        Floyd gets about 20% credit for running and hugging all night vs a shopworn Manny

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        • The Big Dunn
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          #104
          Originally posted by hugh grant

          Pac best every big opponent floyd beat more dominant than floyd did. Why would Pac need to best nelo? SSM fought Nel o when SSM.was even older and says Pac s toughest he fought. Floyd never fought margarito!
          hopkins and R jj have losses to low ranked boxers too and are greater than calzaghe. When pac lost he obviously wasn't at his best of had off night, or robbed. Every great boxer lost.
          You got to penalise floyd for all his shortcomings too, not turn blind eye. If RJJ,Toney, SSM, Thurman and cotton can penalize floyd why can't floyd fans? People could penalise floyd for his gift wins, home advantage, cautiousness, not fighting toughest opponent choices consistently etc


          Floyd fans try make a case for floyd to be greater than pac, but I don't think you do as good a job as max does
          You claimed he beat every top tier boxer Floyd beat. That was a false statement. I was showing how it was false.

          Manny never fought Zab either. Not sure what your point is.

          Floyd is an ATG boxer that didn’t lose. Please be careful with your statements.

          They don’t penalize Floyd. You’re making things up. What home advantage? Boxing isn’t like other sports, you don’t have home and away games.

          Floyd fought the toughest opposition. Just because he won doesn’t make them not tough.

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          • djtmal
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            #105
            Originally posted by The Big Dunn

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            Floyd fought the toughest opposition. Just because he won doesn’t make them not tough.
            Andre Berto
            Lightweight Marquez
            Robert Guerrero
            Madonna 2x
            0 win 0 loss McGregor
            Victor Ortiz

            Was not the toughest opposition

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              #106
              Originally posted by djtmal

              Andre Berto
              Lightweight Marquez
              Robert Guerrero
              Madonna 2x
              0 win 0 loss McGregor
              Victor Ortiz

              Was not the toughest opposition
              Picks 6 out of 50 fights. Lmfao.

              I tell you this- all these guys fought harder and with more dignity against Floyd than Manny did.

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              • QueensburyRules
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                #107
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                Pacquiao at #2 is pure retardation and pretty much invalidates the whole list.
                - - Now, now, no need to pout about Manny setting a blizzard of Ring Rating Records that will never be broken. That and saving Oscar a huge promotional fortune by stepping up two weight classes on short notice to fight Oscar after l'l' floydy got askeered dumped the fight after he daddy tell him Oscar beat him the first time.

                It's been settled history for a while now.

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                  #108
                  Pac at 2 is crazy talk.

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                  • djtmal
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn

                    Picks 6 out of 50 fights.
                    Oh i can name more but those names were part of his ww run after Hatton, the peak of his career, and was not the toughest opposition. Hell his final two fights were Berto and McGregor, as soft as you can get
                    Last edited by djtmal; 01-07-2026, 04:31 PM.

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                    • djtmal
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn



                      I tell you this- all these guys fought harder and with more dignity against Floyd than Manny did.
                      Lol. Floyd was running away from a shopworn Manny for 12 rounds. If it wasn't for Manny pressing the action there would be no fight
                      Last edited by djtmal; 01-07-2026, 04:29 PM.

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