Max Kellerman All Time P4P List

[hugh grant]

You claimed he beat every top tier boxer Floyd beat. That was a false statement. I was showing how it was false.

Manny never fought Zab either. Not sure what your point is.

Floyd is an ATG boxer that didn’t lose. Please be careful with your statements.

They don’t penalize Floyd. You’re making things up. What home advantage? Boxing isn’t like other sports, you don’t have home and away games.

Floyd fought the toughest opposition. Just because he won doesn’t make them not tough.

you will always try misunderstand me?.
But pac fought and won.much more fights then floyd ever did so by my maths floyd needs to prove he can beat many more on Pac s resume than pac needs to on Floyd's resume geez

[TheProudLunatic]

8 div fraud
Pac didn't do anything special except beating known names at their worse

[TheProudLunatic]

you will always try misunderstand me?.
But pac fought and won.much more fights then floyd ever did

Pac was allowed to fight a bunch of farmers and food vendors....

I'll ask you to be honest but we both know Pac Bois are incapable !!!
It's as if it's a deadly virus or some shlt............

Anyway, here's the question -
Who ITF did Pac beat that PBF/May couldn't ?!?!

Holy fck, Pac was KTFO 3x !!!
Roughed up and robbed by a part time school teacher !!!

[TheProudLunatic]

Pac's resume is overrated -

"The idea that Manny Pacquiao's resume is overrated is a point of significant debate within the boxing community, with some citing his extraordinary multi-divisional success while others highlight specific opponent choices and career timing. -

Arguments that the Resume is Overrated
Those who argue Pacquiao's resume is overrated often point to the following issues:

• Opponent Timing: Critics suggest that some of his most high-profile wins came against opponents who were past their prime, such as Oscar De La Hoya, who struggled to make weight for their fight.
• Weight Advantages: There are claims that Pacquiao's movement through weight classes was sometimes leveraged for an advantage, with opponents being weight-drained or fighting at catchweights, and his teenage boxing exploits used to artificially enhance his record.
• Controversial Losses/Draws: Detractors highlight his draw and subsequent knockout loss to Juan Manuel Márquez, and a controversial decision win against Jeff Horn, as evidence that he struggled against elite, in-prime competition.
• Floyd Mayweather Fight: The consensus that he lost definitively to Floyd Mayweather Jr. is often used in comparisons, with some arguing he could never have beaten Mayweather at any stage of their careers.
• PED Accusations: Though he never tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs), the mere accusation from the Mayweather camp created a persistent narrative for some critics that his power gain across weight classes was unnatural.

Arguments that the Resume is Elite
Conversely, many boxing analysts and fans consider Pacquiao's resume to be among the greatest of all time for the following reasons:

• Historical Achievements: He is the only boxer in history to win twelve major world titles across an unprecedented eight different weight divisions, a feat considered by many to be unmatched. He also held titles in four different decades.
• Quality of Opposition: Proponents emphasize that his list of defeated opponents includes multiple Hall of Famers and elite fighters of his era, such as Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Miguel Cotto, and Shane Mosley.
• Willingness to Challenge: Unlike some of his contemporaries, Pacquiao was known for consistently seeking out tough challenges and moving up in weight to fight bigger men, rather than avoiding them.
• Pound-for-Pound Rankings: Major boxing figures and publications have consistently ranked him as one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters in history, second only to Sugar Ray Robinson according to some analysts like Max Kellerman.

Cotto Lite
Shot Mosley
Shopworn Erik and Marco
Wow..........

Willingness to challenge badasses -
Well let's take a gander (excluding the aforementioned names);
Diaz
Hatton
Clottey
Baby Margarito
Shot Margarito
Shot Broner
Alcherry
Dead La Hoya
Lucas
Vargas
Desert Breeze 3x
JMM 4x ( !!!!)
HORN (CPGW !!!)
Cherrios
Ugas (whatever happened to this world-beater................)
Sometime (FINALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!)


Where in the fck are the "tough" challenges ?!?!?!?
FOH !!!

[TheProudLunatic]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson.....Eh, popular choice
2. Manny Pacquiao.....FOH
3. Henry Armstrong.....
4. Muhammad Ali....
5. Harry Greb....200+ wins
6. Sam Langford....DEI pick
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr.....aight
8. Roberto Duran....aight
9. Pernell Whitaker....FOH
10. Terrance Crawford....GTFOH

[The Big Dunn]

you will always try misunderstand me?.
But pac fought and won.much more fights then floyd ever did so by my maths floyd needs to prove he can beat many more on Pac s resume than pac needs to on Floyd's resume geez

I didn’t misunderstand you in any way.

He lost more as well.

since when is having the same number of fights a criteria to rank boxers? You said quality not quantity.

Many of manny’s first 35 fights are no name bums.

You really want Floyd to fight the guys from 130 and below that Manny did?

Even a ball smoker like you realizes Floyd hurts 98% of them just because of size.

[The Big Dunn]

Oh i can name more but those names were part of his ww run after Hatton, the peak of his career, and was not the toughest opposition. Hell his final two fights were Berto and McGregor, as soft as you can get

Peak of his career. He was well over 30. WTF?

Berto and Conor fought harder and braver than Manny did.

[djtmal]

Peak of his career. He was well over 30. WTF?

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Absolutely. When he became the draw and could make the fights, he always chose the softest opposition. All the way to the finish line

[djtmal]

Berto and Conor fought harder and braver than Manny did.

Lol.

Floyd wasn't scared of those fighters so no need to run, but he definitely had his track shoes on vs Manny

[djtmal]

Pac's resume is overrated -

"The idea that Manny Pacquiao's resume is overrated is a point of significant debate within the boxing community, with some citing his extraordinary multi-divisional success while others highlight specific opponent choices and career timing. -

Yes, boxing analyst Max Kellerman has frequently accused Floyd Mayweather Jr. of "cherry-picking" opponents, especially in the latter stages of his career, suggesting he strategically chose fights against favored opponents or at convenient weight classes, rather than taking on the most dangerous challenges, a criticism often raised in debates comparing Mayweather's legacy to Manny Pacquiao's.
Key Points of Kellerman's Criticism:

• Selective Matchmaking: Kellerman points out Mayweather's tendency to pick opponents at the right time in their careers or in weight classes where Mayweather had a significant advantage, rather than facing top fighters at their peak.
• Legacy Debate: He often contrasts Mayweather's calculated choices with Pacquiao's more challenging path, arguing that Pacquiao's willingness to move up in weight and fight dangerous opponents makes him more accomplished.
• "A-Side" Advantage: Kellerman acknowledges that being the "A-side" fighter allows for opponent selection, but argues Mayweather used this power excessively to avoid perceived threats, even when they called him out.