Max Kellerman All Time P4P List

[hugh grant]

Manny has a case for being p4p higher than Floyd, as well as best of his generation as max points out

Yes, at least he tried explain ing how he came to his findings and concluded what he did.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes, it being more of an opinion argument than a factual argument is the reason why I don't think the appeal to authority is needed. Well, that and the fact that we all have the same basic information to make our judgements on.

An appeal to authority is never needed.

It's a fallacious argument for a reason.

[The Big Dunn]

Yes, at least he tried explain ing how he came to his findings and concluded what he did.

Yes Manny has a case and he is #2 in the vast majority of polls.

Max has him #1. Cool. If this were a poll Max would have 1 vote and all the other experts would have 1 vote.

[The Big Dunn]

I can't see how floyd can be higher pfp. I mean every big guy floyd beat, Pac beat also. Plus pac win titles in 8 divisions

Manny didn’t beat Canelo. Manny didnt beat Corrales. Manny didn’t beat a Manny level opponent.

Don’t forget he also has losses to very low ranked boxers.

You gotta count all wins and losses, not just wins.

[hugh grant]

Manny didn’t beat Canelo. Manny didnt beat Corrales. Manny didn’t beat a Manny level opponent.

Don’t forget he also has losses to very low ranked boxers.

You gotta count all wins and losses, not just wins.

Pac best every big opponent floyd beat more dominant than floyd did. Why would Pac need to best nelo? SSM fought Nel o when SSM.was even older and says Pac s toughest he fought. Floyd never fought margarito!
hopkins and R jj have losses to low ranked boxers too and are greater than calzaghe. When pac lost he obviously wasn't at his best of had off night, or robbed. Every great boxer lost.
You got to penalise floyd for all his shortcomings too, not turn blind eye. If RJJ,Toney, SSM, Thurman and cotton can penalize floyd why can't floyd fans? People could penalise floyd for his gift wins, home advantage, cautiousness, not fighting toughest opponent choices consistently etc


Floyd fans try make a case for floyd to be greater than pac, but I don't think you do as good a job as max does

[djtmal]

Yes Manny has a case

Yes he does

[djtmal]

Pac best every big opponent floyd beat more dominant than floyd did. Why would Pac need to best nelo? SSM fought Nel o when SSM.was even older and says Pac s toughest he fought. Floyd never fought margarito!
hopkins and R jj have losses to low ranked boxers too and are greater than calzaghe. When pac lost he obviously wasn't at his best of had off night, or robbed. Every great boxer lost.
You got to penalise floyd for all his shortcomings too, not turn blind eye. If RJJ,Toney, SSM, Thurman and cotton can penalize floyd why can't floyd fans? People could penalise floyd for his gift wins, home advantage, cautiousness, not fighting toughest opponent choices consistently etc


Floyd fans try make a case for floyd to be greater than pac, but I don't think you do as good a job as max does

Floyd's resume is manufactured. Has a 0 win 0 loss mma fighter on his record, needed every conceivable advantage just to get a ko in the 10th round

[djtmal]

Max has him #1.

He has him p4p above Floyd by a wide margin

[hugh grant]

Floyd's resume is manufactured. Has a 0 win 0 loss mma fighter on his record, needed every conceivable advantage just to get a ko in the 10th round

max was generous having floyd above duran and pernell. So in essence floyd was an overachiever But I'm pleased for floyd in a way as I know how much it means to Floyd's fans.
b But true, surely you need to penalise floyd too for making an mma fighter look so good, I know I penalise fury

[elfag]

Replace Pernell with Willie Pep.
Replace CrawfirCrawford with Archie Moore.

having pernell and no RJJ is an extremely weird choice

if you put pernell i have to assume you are valuing theoretical head to head performance because pernell's resume isnt deep compared to many other guys that could be in the top 10. in which case if you value head to head theoreticals then why isnt RJJ on there instead of pernell.