The Ring Magazine Top 10 fighters of the 21st Century

[IronDanHamza]

Defending the credibilty of Ring Magazine without considering its representatives seems really smart.

You've just misspelled the word "credibility" whilst accusing someone else of not being smart.

You are as thick as pig shit. You don't have the mental capacity to have any kind of human interaction.

The Ring Magazine, the most historic magazine in Boxing, devised a list.

If you don't like the list then cry about it in private and get all the tears out.

[hugh grant]

Floyd cherrypicked his way to the top

I always thought floyd was more businessman. He was the best defensive boxer though, but not necessarily better than sweet pea.
I n a climate where people so desperately wanted floyd to lose, I don't think floyd sufficiently gave people the fights people wanted, too cautious. So for that reason alone, amongst many others id have penalise floyd and not have so high
But I think people always felt ring mag had soft spot for floyd. But it's their opinion, just like wbc have pac no1 fighter of century

[real raw]

Ward shouldn't be on the list

[SouthpawRight]

Again, you do know that you have the option to not post in the thread? You're not obligated to.

I saw a Ring Magazine quarter of the century list, seemed somewhat significant and interesting, thought I'd post it, and it's actually had some good discussion for the most part.

Why are you upset about that? What exactly is your problem? Let's identify it so we can try and help.

Coverdale is bit of a weirdo

those people who watch content that annoy them that they have no control over. chronically blocking then unblocking rinse and repeat

strange mental condition

these brits man

[JOITATS]

Inoue - Not for me. Good fighter, very accomplished but a poor resume. Best win a shot Donaire who has practically lost everytime he has stepped up in the last 10-15yrs or so.
And I just can't pretend guys like TJ Doheny, Marajohn? Paul Butler and these sorts of C level fighters are much good. Second best win; Fulton sure he's a bit long in the tooth and wasn't his best weight but like we seen the other week that ain't no elite fighter, not even close.
Many will probably disagree but I'd put Marquez, Wladimir etc on before Inoue with no hesitation.
For me despite the accomplishments he's probably nearer #20 or something

MJ is a c-level fighter. OK LOL right there i know you're just a casual.


Not that you'll ever understand,
but when Monster fought Fulton, Fulton was the man at 122. He beat Leo pretty easily too. Leo is top level.
Fulton seemed to mentally decline after losing to Inoue. Most ppl see that. Again to say Fulton was not elite at 122, is just ignorant.

Just admit you don't know **** about the lower wgt scene.



Devin Haney sign. LOL

[Haka]

I totally forgot Crawford but I wouldn't have him as high as most would as his resume lacks for me. I guess I would stick him #8
Sure he has more names on his resume than say a Bivol but they was all past it, way past it. Bivol beat a better, fresher Canelo, Zurdo is just as good if not better than anyone else on his resume, Beterbiev despite his age is certainly better. I can't put him over Bivol even if he is more accomplished, I just feel Bivol has the quality in terms of wins and two of them was practically punch perfect against peak opponents.

Now it feels wrong seeing Marquez slide off my list but guess its due to a lack of depth on his resume.

Inoue - Not for me. Good fighter, very accomplished but a poor resume. Best win a shot Donaire who has practically lost everytime he has stepped up in the last 10-15yrs or so.
And I just can't pretend guys like TJ Doheny, Marajohn? Paul Butler and these sorts of C level fighters are much good. Second best win; Fulton sure he's a bit long in the tooth and wasn't his best weight but like we seen the other week that ain't no elite fighter, not even close.
Many will probably disagree but I'd put Marquez, Wladimir etc on before Inoue with no hesitation.
For me despite the accomplishments he's probably nearer #20 or something

Doesn't really help Inoue's case either that he is the big 140lb walkarounder solely taking up all new comers milking the Japanese market in those shallow divisons.

[Haka]

That one punch landed by Marquez did significantly raise his stock however JMM was never the main character of those divisions back in the day and besides that one punch did not have any significant impact on the division amongst the other fighters, while Pac ruled the 147 for almost half a decade. Defending the belt against all up and corners is a higher achievement than snatching it once. I would not put Crawford above Usyk unless had he destroyed Canelo in a similar like fashion as the job Pac did on Cotto.

[dan_cov]

MJ is a c-level fighter. OK LOL right there i know you're just a casual.


Not that you'll ever understand,
but when Monster fought Fulton, Fulton was the man at 122. He beat Leo pretty easily too. Leo is top level.
Fulton seemed to mentally decline after losing to Inoue. Most ppl see that. Again to say Fulton was not elite at 122, is just ignorant.

Just admit you don't know **** about the lower wgt scene.



Devin Haney sign. LOL

How can I be a casual when I've got about 25,000 posts on here spamming like 15+ years lol

MJ is exactly that and a guy that fans pretended was some monster just to hype Inoue up.
He's 14-2, any semi-notable wins he has are vs guys like Ronny Rios which is by far one of his better wins worryingly.
Same with the guy who beat him; Marlon Tapales, a guy with 3 losses to virtual nobodies, bad losses & who has this guy beaten? A load of scrubs with unpronounceable names and records of like 27-11, journeymen and not particularly good ones at that.
This guy; Tapales got a title shot by beating a guy who was 23-18!

Most of the baby divisions are dead, its full of Japanese fighters who frankly can't box and there are so many titles and titles given out that we constantly see literal domestic level fighters grabbing them. Just about anyone in the top 20-30 even 40-50 are grabbing a title of some description these days. Then these sneering fans of the lower divisions pretend they are world class just to justify their favourite fighters with terribly padded records beating them. They have practically given everyone a title and pretend they're all great fighters, its pathetic.
Only in these baby weights are these unjustified title shots, padded records etc accepted and even praised. If someone at 175 won a title by beating someone who was say 25-12-2 everyone would call it out but in these baby weights fans pretend its some amazing feat, its weird. The standard is totally different, there is virtually no standard at the lower weights.

Leo top level? didn't he just get a gift over some shot, old, face-first fighter that Jamie McDonnell beat?

The thing is people say casual & stuff but if I was to say ok he's top level, lets play, give me this guys top 5 best wins, I guarantee 99% of fans who supposedly know all about the lower weights couldn't even give me 5 fighters they have fought let alone the top 5.

There isn't one Rigondeaux, one Loma, Barrera, Morales, Gonzalez & so on at these lower weights.
These divisions used to be full of guys like Chacon, Arguello, Olivares, Lopez and countless world class Mexican fighters, true world class. Skilled, brutal little punchers now they are just full of Japanese zombies blocking punches with their big heads and terrible journeymen posing as world class fighters. Almost all of them are Japanese so really all you have is domestic level boxing with a truck load of titles thrown into the mix. Its not like when it was when you had tons of Mexican killers.

You have Bam who is elite imo, the vast majority of the others are only deemed world class as some have to be. They aren't truly world class let alone elite.
Awful fighters winning a vacant title vs 22-8 journeymen in a split decision and defending it vs 34-11, 20-6 opponents doesn't make them p4p or elite.

Tbf to Haney he's already had a better career than MJ, Tapales, Leo and all these guys combined.
I don't know why people hate on Haney lets be honest he's had a better career than just about all his haters favourite fighters put together and he's still only 27.

[dan_cov]

Roughly 10 years back you had guys like Johnny Gonzalez, Gary Russell Jr, Mares, Walters, Lomachenko, dare I say Selby among others (some of them might overlap, I cba looking it up but just to give you an idea). These was sort of the top guys if you will. Now you have guys like Leo, Goodman, Brandon Figueroa, Nery at the tail end of his career - these are or are supposedly top fighters now.

I'm sorry but someone like Johnny Gonzalez would punch holes through the absolute lot of them. Walters vs those guys are you kidding me?

You can do this with all these baby weights. Not to say Bam isn't awesome, Inoue isn't a top fighter, I think Bruce Carrington is a very good upcoming fighter, a few others but for most part these divisions are doo doo. Very, very weak with just one actual world class/potentially elite fighter that has zero competition. Its like when Wladimir ruled people said it was a weak era but he fought Byrd, Povetkin, Haye, Thompson - Fans accepted it was weak. These fighters are 50 times what Leo etc are so why aren't we telling it how it is and calling these divisions poor? Why are we pretending they're great fighters? we can see they aren't. Same with the CW division when Briedis, Usyk, Gassiev, etc left it left a massive void and the division went back to being weak, nobody disputes it.

Look a division down; Inoues - You've gone from Rigondeaux, a sort of prime Donaire, Frampton, Quigg, LSC, a few others I am sure I am forgetting but the point is now you have some guy called Picasso and guys that are losing to 3-0 fighters and losing to journeymen the likes of Kal Yafai was taking apart.


These baby weights for most part are shocking. Just look at the rankings you have guys they are littered with fighters you've never heard of entering the top 3, top 5 because they beat someone with 15 losses and journeymen with appalling records and Japanese fighters super high rated yet they have about 8 fights vs nobody ranked in the top 100 or from outside of Japan, how does that work? Its almost as bad as putting Jake Paul in the top 5

[djtmal]

I always thought floyd was more businessman. He was the best defensive boxer though, but not necessarily better than sweet pea.
I n a climate where people so desperately wanted floyd to lose, I don't think floyd sufficiently gave people the fights people wanted, too cautious. So for that reason alone, amongst many others id have penalise floyd and not have so high
But I think people always felt ring mag had soft spot for floyd. But it's their opinion, just like wbc have pac no1 fighter of century

Goes to show you how marketable and powerful you can become by cherrypicking and protecting the 0