Usyk went life and death with Benidorm Pudding Fury- Itauma can't be written off

[Toffee]

Fury is physically finished.

He has been since he lost the plot in 2015.

People just really wanted to legitimise Wilder.

Seferi
Pianeta
Wilder
Schwarz
Wallin
Old Whyte
Old Chisora
Non Boxer Ngannou

With one exception, it's a list of guys who never progressed beyond gatekeeper. It's funny how Wilder slots so easily into that list in terms of ability.

Wilder was the greatest con of this era. A masterclass in matchmaking, WBC manipulation, and promotion. The second coming of Fury was the second biggest con of this era.

[NihonJim]

He has been since he lost the plot in 2015.

People just really wanted to legitimise Wilder.

Seferi
Pianeta
Wilder
Schwarz
Wallin
Old Whyte
Old Chisora
Non Boxer Ngannou

With one exception, it's a list of guys who never progressed beyond gatekeeper. It's funny how Wilder slots so easily into that list in terms of ability.

Wilder was the greatest con of this era. A masterclass in matchmaking, WBC manipulation, and promotion. The second coming of Fury was the second biggest con of this era.

The Ngannou fight was the most telling, people say fury didn't train, that shouldn't have mattered as AJ showed where Ngannou was at in terms of being a boxer.

[Haka]

The Ngannou fight was the most telling, people say fury didn't train, that shouldn't have mattered as AJ showed where Ngannou was at in terms of being a boxer.

Fury got dropped against Cunningham before winning all those fights in a row.

[NihonJim]

Fury got dropped against Cunningham before winning all those fights in a row.

He got dropped by Neven Pajkic and was put on ***** street by Nikolai Firtha

He has no chin.

None.

[Haka]

He got dropped by Neven Pajkic and was put on ***** street by Nikolai Firtha

He has no chin.

None.

Henry Cooper had some good moments too.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Man, people are really getting caught up in the hype with Itauma. I saw some pundits on Talksport the other day saying "he probably beats all of them (the rest of the heavyweight division) right now except for Usyk." Based on what, beating a washed-up Dillian Whyte who hadn't had a significant win in 3-4 years?

I like Itauma, he's great for the division, he's doing everything right and he's going to be in some big fights down the line. But he's not there yet. Regardless of whether or not anyone thinks he could pose a threat to Usyk, he hasn't earned the opportunity. A win as expected over a 37 year-old Whyte doesn't move you to the front of the queue ahead of guys like Parker and Kabayel who are on very good win streaks of their own. Now, I think Itauma vs. Usyk is a far more interesting fight than either of those two - but it doesn't matter. Itauma has some work to do first.

Parker, Kabayel, Dubois, Hrgovic, Joshua, Fury, Zhang, Bakole, Miller... get a few wins in that kind of company and you've earned your shot. He's still only 20 and very untested. I don't know how anyone can confidently pick him over somebody like Dubois right now as though it's a given he would walk through him. I don't see it that way at all.

This Heavyweight era is in its latter stages, in fact? The Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder era has almost reached its conclusion. Just like when Lennox Lewis became the last man standing of the 90's heavyweight era. Oleksandr Uysk entered into the heavyweight division, during its latter stages and beat two of the three heavyweight mountains of this era to become the last man standing in the opinion of many within the boxing community'.

I personally still believe that ether Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua have a serious chance of beating Oleksandr Uysk 'In a trilogy fight. But I will be honest and admit? Currently right now within the heavyweight division, Oleksandr Uysk has to be regarded as the number 1 heavyweight fighter of this era'.

This Heavyweight era has not been super great in terms of ability or pure skill 'But in terms of competition, it has been a solid era. None of the premier heavyweight Champions, Fury, Joshua or Wilder were at any stages of their reigns miles better than their nearest competition'.

The only heavyweight fighters who are active, and now rated as top level fighters 'Are ether unproven rookie fighters, or fighters who were actually active during the heavyweight reigns of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. And they were non factors at top level during those reigns'.

Joseph Parker, Agit Kabayel, Martin Bakole 'All of those fighters have been around for many years; some of them have been fighting in the professional ranks for a longer duration than Anthony Joshua. So really? Moses Itauma is only being compared to the lesser fighters of this era, those are the facts'.

Note: Joseph Parker was beaten by Anthony Joshua at his absolute peak 'While he was a unbeaten WBO World Heavyweight Champion in 2018. Agit Kabayel struggled to beat Derek Chisora, back 2017. And Martin Bakole was beaten up and stopped by Michael Hunter in 2018'.

Parker started his professional career in 2012, Kabayel started his professional career in 2011, and Bakole started his professional career in 2014.

Why I'm i documenting this information? Because it shows you that the Heavyweight fighters that, many people suddenly now deem as elite level fighters. Are just the chasing pack of fighters during the heavyweight reigns of Fury, Joshua and Wilder. They have been around for many years, over a decade in the majority of cases. And they have been none factors pretty much for this entire heavyweight era, all accept Joseph Parker'.

Oleksandr Uysk did not clear out the Heavyweight Division 'Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder in combination had already cleared out the entire heavyweight division by the time Uysk entered into the division. The only fighters they all needed to compete against as the three heavyweight mountains was each other'.

Oleksandr Uysk has achieved great feats in his career 'But I don't regard him as one of the Heavyweight Mountains of this era. The timing of his entrance into the heavyweight division was tactically the best time for him to win. In my opinion? If Uysk would have entered the heavyweight division, just a few years earlier he may have only been able to capture a Heavyweight title. Fury, Joshua and Wilder were already arguably outside of their peak, or persevering through vulnerable stages of their careers when Oleksandr Uysk entered into the division to challenge them'.

To conclude: The major reason why Oleksandr Uysk almost immediately challenged for the heavyweight titles 'Was because the heavyweight division had already been cleared out. Those are the facts of this heavyweight era'.

The Moses Ituama hype is a bit over exaggerated 'But you must understand? It is a co-ordinated narrative being pushed. Predominantly people within the British boxing community, want this guy to become the next premier heavyweight champion. They all have an incentive for him to be a top level fighter, because it is good for business' etc.

[Dolor]

Those who argue that Usyk did not have a decisive win at HW, split decisions etc. really need to look at the weight difference between him and his opponents, and where the fights took place:

• Vs. Derek Chisora
  • Usyk weight: 217.25 lbs, Chisora weight: 255.5 lbs
  • Weight difference: 38.25 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Chisora)
• Vs. Anthony Joshua 1
  • Usyk weight: 221 lbs, Joshua weight: 240 lbs
  • Weight difference: 19 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Joshua)
• Vs. Anthony Joshua 2
  • Usyk weight: 221.5 lbs, Joshua weight: 244.5 lbs
  • Weight difference: 23 lbs
  • Venue: Jeddah (neutral)
• Vs. Tyson Fury 1
  • Usyk weight: 223.5 lbs, Fury weight: 262 lbs
  • Weight difference: 38.5 lbs
  • Venue: Riyadh (neutral)
• Vs. Tyson Fury 2
  • Usyk weight: 226 lbs, Fury weight: 281 lbs
  • Weight difference: 55 lbs
  • Venue: Riyadh (neutral)
• Vs. Daniel Dubois 1
  • Usyk weight: 220.5 lbs, Dubois weight: 233 lbs
  • Weight difference: 12.5 lbs
  • Venue: Poland (neutral)
• Vs. Daniel Dubois 2
  • Usyk weight: 227.3 lbs, Dubois weight: 243.8 lbs
  • Weight difference: 16.5 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Dubois)

Except for the Chisora fight, he was also the older man, and the man with the shorter reach. So smaller, older, shorter reach, and not a single time with home advantage - and he STILL became undisputed champion.

Now do the same for other HW champions (with the exception of Mike Tyson). Or do it for Mayweather if you want to have some fun.

[SouthpawRight]

Those who argue that Usyk did not have a decisive win at HW, split decisions etc. really need to look at the weight difference between him and his opponents, and where the fights took place:

• Vs. Derek Chisora
  • Usyk weight: 217.25 lbs, Chisora weight: 255.5 lbs
  • Weight difference: 38.25 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Chisora)
• Vs. Anthony Joshua 1
  • Usyk weight: 221 lbs, Joshua weight: 240 lbs
  • Weight difference: 19 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Joshua)
• Vs. Anthony Joshua 2
  • Usyk weight: 221.5 lbs, Joshua weight: 244.5 lbs
  • Weight difference: 23 lbs
  • Venue: Jeddah (neutral)
• Vs. Tyson Fury 1
  • Usyk weight: 223.5 lbs, Fury weight: 262 lbs
  • Weight difference: 38.5 lbs
  • Venue: Riyadh (neutral)
• Vs. Tyson Fury 2
  • Usyk weight: 226 lbs, Fury weight: 281 lbs
  • Weight difference: 55 lbs
  • Venue: Riyadh (neutral)
• Vs. Daniel Dubois 1
  • Usyk weight: 220.5 lbs, Dubois weight: 233 lbs
  • Weight difference: 12.5 lbs
  • Venue: Poland (neutral)
• Vs. Daniel Dubois 2
  • Usyk weight: 227.3 lbs, Dubois weight: 243.8 lbs
  • Weight difference: 16.5 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Dubois)

Except for the Chisora fight, he was also the older man, and the man with the shorter reach. So smaller, older, shorter reach, and not a single time with home advantage - and he STILL became undisputed champion.

Now do the same for other HW champions (with the exception of Mike Tyson). Or do it for Mayweather if you want to have some fun.

comparing Usyk to Floyd is a disservice to Usyk

Floyd is a top 11 all time. Usyk doesn’t even make top 25 let alone ahead of manny who is top 15

[pollywog]

what is an oilskin?

An Oilskin Parka is a rugged, long-lasting piece of all weather outerwear favoured by agricultural types who can't be arsed with city slicker fashion.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Those who argue that Usyk did not have a decisive win at HW, split decisions etc. really need to look at the weight difference between him and his opponents, and where the fights took place:

• Vs. Derek Chisora
  • Usyk weight: 217.25 lbs, Chisora weight: 255.5 lbs
  • Weight difference: 38.25 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Chisora)
• Vs. Anthony Joshua 1
  • Usyk weight: 221 lbs, Joshua weight: 240 lbs
  • Weight difference: 19 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Joshua)
• Vs. Anthony Joshua 2
  • Usyk weight: 221.5 lbs, Joshua weight: 244.5 lbs
  • Weight difference: 23 lbs
  • Venue: Jeddah (neutral)
• Vs. Tyson Fury 1
  • Usyk weight: 223.5 lbs, Fury weight: 262 lbs
  • Weight difference: 38.5 lbs
  • Venue: Riyadh (neutral)
• Vs. Tyson Fury 2
  • Usyk weight: 226 lbs, Fury weight: 281 lbs
  • Weight difference: 55 lbs
  • Venue: Riyadh (neutral)
• Vs. Daniel Dubois 1
  • Usyk weight: 220.5 lbs, Dubois weight: 233 lbs
  • Weight difference: 12.5 lbs
  • Venue: Poland (neutral)
• Vs. Daniel Dubois 2
  • Usyk weight: 227.3 lbs, Dubois weight: 243.8 lbs
  • Weight difference: 16.5 lbs
  • Venue: London (Home advantage Dubois)

Except for the Chisora fight, he was also the older man, and the man with the shorter reach. So smaller, older, shorter reach, and not a single time with home advantage - and he STILL became undisputed champion.

Now do the same for other HW champions (with the exception of Mike Tyson). Or do it for Mayweather if you want to have some fun.

David Haye was outweighed by 7 stone vs Nikola Valueu, and he fought a absolute peak version of Derek Chisora in 2012 and knocked him out inside 5 rounds while being outweighed by 37 pounds 'That is a decisive win. Oleksandr Uysk has never been that type of fighter. He has never shown that level of ability at top level'.

David Haye's cruiserweight reign also consisted of more conclusive and brutal victories over top level fighters 'Haye knocked out all the premier cruiserweight champions of his era. Jean Marc Mormeck and Enzo Maccarinelli. Uysk in comparison, won on points. The only top level cruiserweight he was able to knockout, was Tony Bellew who was dead at the weight of 200 pounds and really should have fought Uysk at Heavyweight. At the time of the stoppage, two judges had Bellew winning on the score cards and one judge had the fight completely level'.

Note: All of Oleksandr Uysk's top level fights 'are close and competitive fights, contests were he also sustains heavy damage. Oleksandr Uysk has only fought once this year, and that one fight looks to have already written him off for sometime in the game. And that was his most decisive win at heavyweight vs Daniel Dubois II'.

Oleksandr Uysk has never had a win at the level of Floyd Mayweather Junior vs Canelo Alvarez 'Mayweather won almost all the rounds in the fight, complete domination. Against another elite level fighter'.

Oleksandr Uysk for sure is an all time great fighter 'He is the most accomplished fighter active the sport. But seriously? Stop trying to make out that he is formidable fighter, one that has got the entire heavyweight division shook right down to their boots. Uysk is not that level of fighter, and has not displayed that type of ability. His nearest competition in my opinion are not apprehensive of his abilities, they just respect and admire his skill'.

Beating Daniel Dubois I & II is not a all-time great win 'He has been smashed up, before he ever fought Uysk I & II. And will most likely get smashed up again in the future, because that is the type of fighter he is. Dubois is a front runner at top level, everyone in the sport knows this'.

To conclude: You have not proven that Oleksandr Uysk has achieved many decisive wins at heavyweight 'All you have done is listing all of his fights, where he was beaten up on course to a win. People can all watch those fights, and yes? They will enjoy them, and quickly understand that Oleksandr Uysk most of the time at top level is getting smashed up by his opponents'.

Oleksandr Uysk is achieving his best wins, via having the superior level of endurance 'And being able to maintain his technique and a high pace for the entire duration of the fight. Uysk skill for skill was not miles better than ether Tyson Fury I & II or Anthony Joshua I & II, they both had the ability to win rounds vs Uysk'.

That is why Oleksandr Uysk does deserves major credit 'He most of the time at top level, has to beat his opponents with very difficult tactics. Which are to develop the action into a battle of attrition and make it a distance fight. Due to Uysk's lack of real damaging power, this is how he has won most of his fights even at Cruiserweight'.

Oleksandr Uysk has refined his style, and is exploiting modern day super heavyweight fighters in areas of their game where they are lacking 'Endurance and a high level of accuracy and the ability to not make unforced errors and technical mistakes while under serious pressure' etc.