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  • Toffee
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    #51
    Originally posted by NihonJim

    Fury is physically finished.
    He has been since he lost the plot in 2015.

    People just really wanted to legitimise Wilder.

    Seferi
    Pianeta
    Wilder
    Schwarz
    Wallin
    Old Whyte
    Old Chisora
    Non Boxer Ngannou

    With one exception, it's a list of guys who never progressed beyond gatekeeper. It's funny how Wilder slots so easily into that list in terms of ability.

    Wilder was the greatest con of this era. A masterclass in matchmaking, WBC manipulation, and promotion. The second coming of Fury was the second biggest con of this era.

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    • NihonJim
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      #52
      Originally posted by Toffee

      He has been since he lost the plot in 2015.

      People just really wanted to legitimise Wilder.

      Seferi
      Pianeta
      Wilder
      Schwarz
      Wallin
      Old Whyte
      Old Chisora
      Non Boxer Ngannou

      With one exception, it's a list of guys who never progressed beyond gatekeeper. It's funny how Wilder slots so easily into that list in terms of ability.

      Wilder was the greatest con of this era. A masterclass in matchmaking, WBC manipulation, and promotion. The second coming of Fury was the second biggest con of this era.
      The Ngannou fight was the most telling, people say fury didn't train, that shouldn't have mattered as AJ showed where Ngannou was at in terms of being a boxer.

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      • Haka
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        #53
        Originally posted by NihonJim

        The Ngannou fight was the most telling, people say fury didn't train, that shouldn't have mattered as AJ showed where Ngannou was at in terms of being a boxer.
        Fury got dropped against Cunningham before winning all those fights in a row.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Haka

          Fury got dropped against Cunningham before winning all those fights in a row.
          He got dropped by Neven Pajkic and was put on ***** street by Nikolai Firtha

          He has no chin.

          None.

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            #55
            Originally posted by NihonJim

            He got dropped by Neven Pajkic and was put on ***** street by Nikolai Firtha

            He has no chin.

            None.
            Henry Cooper had some good moments too.

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              #56
              Originally posted by dannnnn
              Man, people are really getting caught up in the hype with Itauma. I saw some pundits on Talksport the other day saying "he probably beats all of them (the rest of the heavyweight division) right now except for Usyk." Based on what, beating a washed-up Dillian Whyte who hadn't had a significant win in 3-4 years?

              I like Itauma, he's great for the division, he's doing everything right and he's going to be in some big fights down the line. But he's not there yet. Regardless of whether or not anyone thinks he could pose a threat to Usyk, he hasn't earned the opportunity. A win as expected over a 37 year-old Whyte doesn't move you to the front of the queue ahead of guys like Parker and Kabayel who are on very good win streaks of their own. Now, I think Itauma vs. Usyk is a far more interesting fight than either of those two - but it doesn't matter. Itauma has some work to do first.

              Parker, Kabayel, Dubois, Hrgovic, Joshua, Fury, Zhang, Bakole, Miller... get a few wins in that kind of company and you've earned your shot. He's still only 20 and very untested. I don't know how anyone can confidently pick him over somebody like Dubois right now as though it's a given he would walk through him. I don't see it that way at all.
              This Heavyweight era is in its latter stages, in fact? The Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder era has almost reached its conclusion. Just like when Lennox Lewis became the last man standing of the 90's heavyweight era. Oleksandr Uysk entered into the heavyweight division, during its latter stages and beat two of the three heavyweight mountains of this era to become the last man standing in the opinion of many within the boxing community'.

              I personally still believe that ether Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua have a serious chance of beating Oleksandr Uysk 'In a trilogy fight. But I will be honest and admit? Currently right now within the heavyweight division, Oleksandr Uysk has to be regarded as the number 1 heavyweight fighter of this era'.

              This Heavyweight era has not been super great in terms of ability or pure skill 'But in terms of competition, it has been a solid era. None of the premier heavyweight Champions, Fury, Joshua or Wilder were at any stages of their reigns miles better than their nearest competition'.

              The only heavyweight fighters who are active, and now rated as top level fighters 'Are ether unproven rookie fighters, or fighters who were actually active during the heavyweight reigns of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. And they were non factors at top level during those reigns'.

              Joseph Parker, Agit Kabayel, Martin Bakole 'All of those fighters have been around for many years; some of them have been fighting in the professional ranks for a longer duration than Anthony Joshua. So really? Moses Itauma is only being compared to the lesser fighters of this era, those are the facts'.

              Note: Joseph Parker was beaten by Anthony Joshua at his absolute peak 'While he was a unbeaten WBO World Heavyweight Champion in 2018. Agit Kabayel struggled to beat Derek Chisora, back 2017. And Martin Bakole was beaten up and stopped by Michael Hunter in 2018'.

              Parker started his professional career in 2012, Kabayel started his professional career in 2011, and Bakole started his professional career in 2014.

              Why I'm i documenting this information? Because it shows you that the Heavyweight fighters that, many people suddenly now deem as elite level fighters. Are just the chasing pack of fighters during the heavyweight reigns of Fury, Joshua and Wilder. They have been around for many years, over a decade in the majority of cases. And they have been none factors pretty much for this entire heavyweight era, all accept Joseph Parker'.

              Oleksandr Uysk did not clear out the Heavyweight Division 'Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder in combination had already cleared out the entire heavyweight division by the time Uysk entered into the division. The only fighters they all needed to compete against as the three heavyweight mountains was each other'.

              Oleksandr Uysk has achieved great feats in his career 'But I don't regard him as one of the Heavyweight Mountains of this era. The timing of his entrance into the heavyweight division was tactically the best time for him to win. In my opinion? If Uysk would have entered the heavyweight division, just a few years earlier he may have only been able to capture a Heavyweight title. Fury, Joshua and Wilder were already arguably outside of their peak, or persevering through vulnerable stages of their careers when Oleksandr Uysk entered into the division to challenge them'.

              To conclude: The major reason why Oleksandr Uysk almost immediately challenged for the heavyweight titles 'Was because the heavyweight division had already been cleared out. Those are the facts of this heavyweight era'.

              The Moses Ituama hype is a bit over exaggerated 'But you must understand? It is a co-ordinated narrative being pushed. Predominantly people within the British boxing community, want this guy to become the next premier heavyweight champion. They all have an incentive for him to be a top level fighter, because it is good for business' etc.












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