Usyk went life and death with Benidorm Pudding Fury- Itauma can't be written off

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David Haye was outweighed by 7 stone vs Nikola Valueu, and he fought a absolute peak version of Derek Chisora in 2012 and knocked him out inside 5 rounds while being outweighed by 37 pounds 'That is a decisive win. Oleksandr Uysk has never been that type of fighter. He has never shown that level of ability at top level'.

Haye fought a single actual top level opponent at HW, and that was Wladimir Klitschko, who quite frankly embarrassed him. Chisora, even at his "absolute peak", was a tough gatekeeper, but never held a single belt or achieved anything remarkable (who did he beat?). Valuev was huge but (contrary to Fury) very immobile, and never considered the HW king. I hope you are not comparing Chisora and Valuev to Joshua and Fury (the No. 1 and 2 in the division at the time), against both of which Usyk won a UD in one of their matches - and that without any home bonus, and despite being the clearly smaller man.

David Haye's cruiserweight reign also consisted of more conclusive and brutal victories over top level fighters 'Haye knocked out all the premier cruiserweight champions of his era. Jean Marc Mormeck and Enzo Maccarinelli. Uysk in comparison, won on points. The only top level cruiserweight he was able to knockout, was Tony Bellew who was dead at the weight of 200 pounds and really should have fought Uysk at Heavyweight. At the time of the stoppage, two judges had Bellew winning on the score cards and one judge had the fight completely level'.

Yes, Haye had one punch knockout power, which Usyk lacks. That being said, he had enough power to knock Fury down, and had Joshua stumbling around the ring and sitting on the
ropes (and was then saved by the ref/bell).

Note: All of Oleksandr Uysk's top level fights 'are close and competitive fights, contests were he also sustains heavy damage. Oleksandr Uysk has only fought once this year, and that one fight looks to have already written him off for sometime in the game. And that was his most decisive win at heavyweight vs Daniel Dubois II'.

Usyk had four real top level HW wins: 2 x Fury and 2x Joshua. As mentioned above, 2 of those were UDs - there was nothing competitive about Joshua 1 (117-112, 116-112, 115-113) or Fury 2 (3 x 116-112). Those were dominant wins.

Oleksandr Uysk has never had a win at the level of Floyd Mayweather Junior vs Canelo Alvarez 'Mayweather won almost all the rounds in the fight, complete domination. Against another elite level fighter'.

I don't think Canelo was Mayweather's best fight, not at all actually. Canelo was still far from his prime at the time AND Mayweather made Canelo come in at 152. That is exactly the point I made in my previous post: Usyk never had the luxury of making his much larger HW opponents come down in weight for him. And he STILL beat them.

Oleksandr Uysk for sure is an all time great fighter 'He is the most accomplished fighter active the sport. But seriously? Stop trying to make out that he is formidable fighter, one that has got the entire heavyweight division shook right down to their boots. Uysk is not that level of fighter, and has not displayed that type of ability. His nearest competition in my opinion are not apprehensive of his abilities, they just respect and admire his skill'.

That's a contradiction, don't you think? I agree though that he doesn't scare his opponents, because he quite simply is not a knockout artist. That doesn't mean he is not formidable - he just doesn't pose too much of a health risk compared to e.g. Wilder in his prime.

Beating Daniel Dubois I & II is not a all-time great win 'He has been smashed up, before he ever fought Uysk I & II. And will most likely get smashed up again in the future, because that is the type of fighter he is. Dubois is a front runner at top level, everyone in the sport knows this'.

No, they are not - and I never said that. 2 x Fury and 2 x Joshua, those are great wins, especially since - and again I am coming back to my original post - they were much heavier, more powerful, and were the legitimate No. 1 and 2 HWs at the time. Nobody had given him a chance in the HW division (including me: my bet was on Joshua in the first fight - but I was wrong).

To conclude: You have not proven that Oleksandr Uysk has achieved many decisive wins at heavyweight 'All you have done is listing all of his fights, where he was beaten up on course to a win. People can all watch those fights, and yes? They will enjoy them, and quickly understand that Oleksandr Uysk most of the time at top level is getting smashed up by his opponents'.

I have proven what I wanted to prove: that he beat the top HWs, despite being the clearly smaller man (with all associated disadvantages), and never at home. That is a factor you simply cannot deny.

Regarding "smashed up", that's clearly exaggerated: in their first fight, Fury did some damage, yes. Maybe Joshua a little bit in their second fight. He wasn't knocked down a single time, by those giants.

Oleksandr Uysk is achieving his best wins, via having the superior level of endurance 'And being able to maintain his technique and a high pace for the entire duration of the fight. Uysk skill for skill was not miles better than ether Tyson Fury I & II or Anthony Joshua I & II, they both had the ability to win rounds vs Uysk'.

That is why Oleksandr Uysk does deserves major credit 'He most of the time at top level, has to beat his opponents with very difficult tactics. Which are to develop the action into a battle of attrition and make it a distance fight. Due to Uysk's lack of real damaging power, this is how he has won most of his fights even at Cruiserweight'.

Oleksandr Uysk has refined his style, and is exploiting modern day super heavyweight fighters in areas of their game where they are lacking 'Endurance and a high level of accuracy and the ability to not make unforced errors and technical mistakes while under serious pressure' etc.

Yes, agreed, except for the "battle of attrition" (that I would use for fights like Lewis-Klitschko, Tyson-Holyfield, etc).

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Haye fought a single actual top level opponent at HW, and that was Wladimir Klitschko, who quite frankly embarrassed him. Chisora, even at his "absolute peak", was a tough gatekeeper, but never held a single belt or achieved anything remarkable (who did he beat?). Valuev was huge but (contrary to Fury) very immobile, and never considered the HW king. I hope you are not comparing Chisora and Valuev to Joshua and Fury (the No. 1 and 2 in the division at the time), against both of which Usyk won a UD in one of their matches - and that without any home bonus, and despite being the clearly smaller man.



Yes, Haye had one punch knockout power, which Usyk lacks. That being said, he had enough power to knock Fury down, and had Joshua stumbling around the ring and sitting on the
ropes (and was then saved by the ref/bell).



Usyk had four real top level HW wins: 2 x Fury and 2x Joshua. As mentioned above, 2 of those were UDs - there was nothing competitive about Joshua 1 (117-112, 116-112, 115-113) or Fury 2 (3 x 116-112). Those were dominant wins.



I don't think Canelo was Mayweather's best fight, not at all actually. Canelo was still far from his prime at the time AND Mayweather made Canelo come in at 152. That is exactly the point I made in my previous post: Usyk never had the luxury of making his much larger HW opponents come down in weight for him. And he STILL beat them.



That's a contradiction, don't you think? I agree though that he doesn't scare his opponents, because he quite simply is not a knockout artist. That doesn't mean he is not formidable - he just doesn't pose too much of a health risk compared to e.g. Wilder in his prime.



No, they are not - and I never said that. 2 x Fury and 2 x Joshua, those are great wins, especially since - and again I am coming back to my original post - they were much heavier, more powerful, and were the legitimate No. 1 and 2 HWs at the time. Nobody had given him a chance in the HW division (including me: my bet was on Joshua in the first fight - but I was wrong).



I have proven what I wanted to prove: that he beat the top HWs, despite being the clearly smaller man (with all associated disadvantages), and never at home. That is a factor you simply cannot deny.

Regarding "smashed up", that's clearly exaggerated: in their first fight, Fury did some damage, yes. Maybe Joshua a little bit in their second fight. He wasn't knocked down a single time, by those giants.



Yes, agreed, except for the "battle of attrition" (that I would use for fights like Lewis-Klitschko, Tyson-Holyfield, etc).

I don't think haye can be compared to usyk. Look what usyk did to bellew, compared to what haye did?

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I don't think haye can be compared to usyk. Look what usyk did to bellew, compared to what haye did?

Yes that's what I am saying. I found it odd that Haye was being brought up as someone who had the kind of decisive wins at HW that Usyk supposedly lacked. Who did Haye beat at HW? Gatekeeper Chisora (KO), and clumsy giant Valuev (MD). Not to say that those are bad wins, but they are clearly not comparable to what Usyk did.

For Bellew you can of course argue that Haye was shot, but Bellew was way past it as well when they fought.

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Yes that's what I am saying. I found it odd that Haye was being brought up as someone who had the kind of decisive wins at HW that Usyk supposedly lacked. Who did Haye beat at HW? Gatekeeper Chisora (KO), and clumsy giant Valuev (MD). Not to say that those are bad wins, but they are clearly not comparable to what Usyk did.

For Bellew you can of course argue that Haye was shot, but Bellew was way past it as well when they fought.

Ask bellew who's better, haye, or usyk. Also ask chisora who's better haye or usyk?

[Dolor]

Ask bellew who's better, haye, or usyk. Also ask chisora who's better haye or usyk?

I would expect Chisora to say Haye, given the KO. Also, aren't they friends nowadays?

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I would expect Chisora to say Haye, given the KO. Also, aren't they friends nowadays?

Really? I actually think chisora intimated that wasn't the real chisora that day against haye.
I thought you knew chisora said usyk is the best he faced

[Dolor]

Really? I actually think chisora intimated that wasn't the real chisora that day

Google images for "Haye Chisora friends". There are even pics where they cuddle up, both wearing pink pants.

[Dolor]

Really? I actually think chisora intimated that wasn't the real chisora that day against haye.
I thought you knew chisora said usyk is the best he faced

Oh really? Didn't know that, no. Interesting.

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Haye fought a single actual top level opponent at HW, and that was Wladimir Klitschko, who quite frankly embarrassed him. Chisora, even at his "absolute peak", was a tough gatekeeper, but never held a single belt or achieved anything remarkable (who did he beat?). Valuev was huge but (contrary to Fury) very immobile, and never considered the HW king. I hope you are not comparing Chisora and Valuev to Joshua and Fury (the No. 1 and 2 in the division at the time), against both of which Usyk won a UD in one of their matches - and that without any home bonus, and despite being the clearly smaller man.



Yes, Haye had one punch knockout power, which Usyk lacks. That being said, he had enough power to knock Fury down, and had Joshua stumbling around the ring and sitting on the
ropes (and was then saved by the ref/bell).



Usyk had four real top level HW wins: 2 x Fury and 2x Joshua. As mentioned above, 2 of those were UDs - there was nothing competitive about Joshua 1 (117-112, 116-112, 115-113) or Fury 2 (3 x 116-112). Those were dominant wins.



I don't think Canelo was Mayweather's best fight, not at all actually. Canelo was still far from his prime at the time AND Mayweather made Canelo come in at 152. That is exactly the point I made in my previous post: Usyk never had the luxury of making his much larger HW opponents come down in weight for him. And he STILL beat them.



That's a contradiction, don't you think? I agree though that he doesn't scare his opponents, because he quite simply is not a knockout artist. That doesn't mean he is not formidable - he just doesn't pose too much of a health risk compared to e.g. Wilder in his prime.



No, they are not - and I never said that. 2 x Fury and 2 x Joshua, those are great wins, especially since - and again I am coming back to my original post - they were much heavier, more powerful, and were the legitimate No. 1 and 2 HWs at the time. Nobody had given him a chance in the HW division (including me: my bet was on Joshua in the first fight - but I was wrong).



I have proven what I wanted to prove: that he beat the top HWs, despite being the clearly smaller man (with all associated disadvantages), and never at home. That is a factor you simply cannot deny.

Regarding "smashed up", that's clearly exaggerated: in their first fight, Fury did some damage, yes. Maybe Joshua a little bit in their second fight. He wasn't knocked down a single time, by those giants.



Yes, agreed, except for the "battle of attrition" (that I would use for fights like Lewis-Klitschko, Tyson-Holyfield, etc).

Oleksandr Uysk has one decisive win at Heavyweight vs Daniel Dubois II 'and as a Cruiserweight Champion, again? He was not the most dominant or formidable fighter. The only fighter he was able to knock out was a completely dead at the weight Toney Bellew. At the time of the stoppage, two of the judges had Bellew winning and one judge had the fight completely level'.

Note: You can think what you want, but the reality is? All you are doing is Mollycoddling Oleksandr Uysk. With your altitude of 'awwww but look he was outweighed by so many pounds, and he had to fight all those fighters away from home. Who cares seriously? That does not get away from the fact that he was pushed right to the line by a miles outside of his peak Derek Chisora, and on the verge of retirement after each fight vs Tyson Fury I & II and Anthony Joshua I & II'

Oleksandr Uysk has only had one fight this year 'And like I stated in my first post, that one fight against a fighter in Daniel Dubois II who is a front runner at top level. That one fight, has almost completely written him off for 2025'.

No matter what you say, no matter how hard to try 'You are not going to convince me, or any boxing analyst that knows the sport. That Oleksandr Uysk is a formidable fighter, in the same way that Mike Tyson, Roy Jones or even Lennox Lewis was in his peak form',

The media has over exaggerated Oleksandr Uysk wins over Daniel Dubois I & II 'Because it was a very unusual manner for a Uysk win. He actually knocked another top level fighter out or did he? Maybe Dubois's trait of being a front runner just surfaced. The rounds more than anything beat Dubois'.

You do understand Hugh Grant that David Haye was the first fighter to ever deck or knockout Derek Chisora 'This fight happened 8 years prior to Chisora vs Uysk. Derek Chisora believes that he beat Oleksandr Uysk, I am quite sure? That Chisora would rate David Haye at his absolute peak, or in solid form as a more formidable and dangerous fighter than Oleksandr Uysk'.

David Haye fought Derek Chisora in 2012 'he was the first heavyweight fighter to meet force vs force against Chisora and cancel out his momentum. Knocking him out inside 5 rounds. 8 years later Derek Chisora fought Oleksandr Uysk, miles outside of his peak and pushed him right to the line. In a extremely competitive fight, that he himself believed he won and also many observers shared this opinion and belief'.

To conclude: Oleksandr Uysk for sure is an all-time great fighter 'He has been able to compile a impressive resume of statistics. But when I compare him to other great fighter's peak for peak, skill for skill. I don't think he is a formidable fighter, there are many past and current fighters still even in the latter stages of this heavyweight era who I would give a serious chance of beating him'.

I would back both Tyson Fury, and Anthony Joshua in a trilogy fight against Uysk 'And I don't think for one second that Oleksandr Uysk would dominant Joseph Parker' etc.

hugh grant

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Oleksandr Uysk has one decisive win at Heavyweight vs Daniel Dubois II 'and as a Cruiserweight Champion, again? He was not the most dominant or formidable fighter. The only fighter he was able to knock out was a completely dead at the weight Toney Bellew. At the time of the stoppage, two of the judges had Bellew winning and one judge had the fight completely level'.

Note: You can think what you want, but the reality is? All you are doing is Mollycoddling Oleksandr Uysk. With your altitude of 'awwww but look he was outweighed by so many pounds, and he had to fight all those fighters away from home. Who cares seriously? That does not get away from the fact that he was pushed right to the line by a miles outside of his peak Derek Chisora, and on the verge of retirement after each fight vs Tyson Fury I & II and Anthony Joshua I & II'

Oleksandr Uysk has only had one fight this year 'And like I stated in my first post, that one fight against a fighter in Daniel Dubois II who is a front runner at top level. That one fight, has almost completely written him off for 2025'.

No matter what you say, no matter how hard to try 'You are not going to convince me, or any boxing analyst that knows the sport. That Oleksandr Uysk is a formidable fighter, in the same way that Mike Tyson, Roy Jones or even Lennox Lewis was in his peak form',

The media has over exaggerated Oleksandr Uysk wins over Daniel Dubois I & II 'Because it was a very unusual manner for a Uysk win. He actually knocked another top level fighter out or did he? Maybe Dubois's trait of being a front runner just surfaced. The rounds more than anything beat Dubois'.

You do understand Hugh Grant that David Haye was the first fighter to ever deck or knockout Derek Chisora 'This fight happened 8 years prior to Chisora vs Uysk. Derek Chisora believes that he beat Oleksandr Uysk, I am quite sure? That Chisora would rate David Haye at his absolute peak, or in solid form as a more formidable and dangerous fighter than Oleksandr Uysk'.

David Haye fought Derek Chisora in 2012 'he was the first heavyweight fighter to meet force vs force against Chisora and cancel out his momentum. Knocking him out inside 5 rounds. 8 years later Derek Chisora fought Oleksandr Uysk, miles outside of his peak and pushed him right to the line. In a extremely competitive fight, that he himself believed he won and also many observers shared this opinion and belief'.

To conclude: Oleksandr Uysk for sure is an all-time great fighter 'He has been able to compile a impressive resume of statistics. But when I compare him to other great fighter's peak for peak, skill for skill. I don't think he is a formidable fighter, there are many past and current fighters still even in the latter stages of this heavyweight era who I would give a serious chance of beating him'.

I would back both Tyson Fury, and Anthony Joshua in a trilogy fight against Uysk 'And I don't think for one second that Oleksandr Uysk would dominant Joseph Parker' etc.

hugh grant

I don't understand what you.mean by dominant or formidable? Floyd werent as dominant or formidable as pac was against dlh, cotto or hatton, but you won't use that way of measuring like you are with usyk? Ali wasn't as dominant against frasier as foreman was.
If nobody can beat usyk this era, he will be seen as dominant this era, and certainly formiddable. To suggest haye is a more dominant and formidable heavyweight on the basis of how they fared against chisora is cherry picking at its finest from where I'm standing