Sorry Ali fans, Usyk has replaced him as “The Greatest” Heavyweight.

[hugh grant]

And?

That's what you need to do with less than great fighters, which is my point.

All of those fighters are better than Chazz Witherspoon & Derek Chisora, who Usyk struggled with.

These were usyks introduction to the division so he can be excused for not being at his best at this point. Not everyone's an Inoue, who can step straight to the title holders.

[The D3vil]

And... you said Usyk wasn't mowing down Fury, Joshua and Dubois like Tyson would.

I presented to you that Tyson didn't mow down his decent opponents. He typically decisioned them or lost.

We've gone back and forth and now you're trying to undo that opinion. You probably should have just acknowledged that the statement was incorrect.

Berbick was a HW champion, much better than Witherspoon or Chisora.

Tyson mowed him down.

Michael Spinks was a top 5 fighter of the '80s

Tyson mowed him down.

Holmes was the longest reigning champion since Louis & went on to fight for another decade at a high level, including giving Holyfield all he could handle 5 years AFTER fighting Tyson.

Tyson mowed him down.

[The D3vil]

These were usyks introduction to the division so he can be excused for not being at his best at this point. Not everyone's an Inoue, who can step straight to the title holders.

I agree, but if people are going to argue he's the GOAT, then he has to be Inoue PLUS.

[hugh grant]

I agree, but if people are going to argue he's the GOAT, then he has to be Inoue PLUS.

But id put it down to an.off night really. Put that chisora in with.usyk now, chisora might not last 12 rounds

[BKM-]

Nobody's resume stacks up to Ali's. He beat 3 top 10 ATG HW's which is ridiculously stacked for one man, on top of that he beat too many HOF's to name and had almost 20 title defences and was a 3 time undisputed HW champ. All of that after losing 3 of his prime years.

There is Ali, and then the rest.

[garfios]

Ali was the greatest not just for his accomplishments in the ring. That doesn't even amount to half the story. Ali was a special human being. I can scarcely think of anyone on his level in any field, let alone boxing. Say for the sake of argument Usyk is a superior heavyweight. Not he, nor anyone else in the sport, will ever have the same impact on lives, pop culture — anything — as Ali has.

There's no comparison, and he lost his best years do to in the process.

[Bipolar Hero]

Pretentious fanboys want to pretend Ali never lost and was invincible when he was thoroughly beaten several times in his prime.

[CubanGuyNYC]

There's no comparison, and he lost his best years do to in the process.

That’s right: three prime years. Really a special human being. Boxing was just what he did.

[TheProudLunatic]

Pretentious fanboys want to pretend Ali never lost and was invincible when he was thoroughly beaten several times in his prime.

Name them

[Raggamuffin]

You can't erase a perfect career. Perfection is Usyk. He has never made a mistake in the ring. He solves every puzzle every style. He is the goat.

Erase? His resume isn’t in question. Being undefeated doesn’t make you the goat, ask Floyd. You’re judged by your comp. And even though he got a clean win in his rematch with Dubois, I can’t get the body shot ko loss to Dubois that wasn’t called.