Why do people still challenge AJ more than Wilder ?

[Willow The Wisp]

ShoulderRoll still lives vicariously through Mayweather and Willow The Wisp, as much as he likes to pretend to academic detachment and rigour, has a weird obsession with AJ to the point he thinks he should have fought Miller because PEDs don't matter.

Any superiority complex either has is laughably off base.

Aw shucks son, be nice.
Joshua is an excellent fighter and one of the best of this tall, large and excellent generation of heavyweights.

Who could argue that his opponent list is better than that of Wilder, Fury, Ruiz, Usyk and Vitali, of recent vintage?

But if you get starched by Andy Ruiz and Daniel Dubois while still in your prime age range........We can safely project that one inevitable shot from Wilder would sleep him.

Thanks to Mr. Hearn, we'll never get to see it.
Hence the license people here have to boast that Joshua would've lasted 5 rounds with Wilder.

[daggum]

Those are just generalities that you are throwing out. Let’s look at some real evidence:


Joshua To Team Wilder: Give Me $50 Million - I'll Sign Tomorrow!
https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...-sign-tomorrow

Deontay Wilder: Joshua Asked For $50 Million, We Provided That, He Didn't Take It
https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...-we-he-take-it

They provided nothing and you know it. They literally said send the contract and wilder said no lol. That's called calling someone's bluff. Its not an actual offer if it's not real. It's publicity. Guess you fell for it?

Wilder turned down an actual 100 million dollar contract placed at his feet. wilder confirmed this offer was real. Joshua confirmed wilders offer was not real. See the difference? If That's not ducking what is? Wilder avoided the fight at every turn too. We have the receipts. It was obviously a publicity tactic to call out the most popular guy while fighting stiffs. Why defend this? Even the first Fury fight was seen as a chery pick. Don't revise history.

[daggum]

Aw shucks son, be nice.
Joshua is an excellent fighter and one of the best of this tall, large and excellent generation of heavyweights.

Who could argue that his opponent list is better than that of Wilder, Fury, Ruiz, Usyk and Vitali, of recent vintage?

But if you get starched by Andy Ruiz and Daniel Dubois while still in your prime age range........We can safely project that one inevitable shot from Wilder would sleep him.

Thanks to Mr. Hearn, we'll never get to see it.
Hence the license people here have to boast that Joshua would've lasted 5 rounds with Wilder.

Wilder ko percentage agaisnt top 10 opponents is 25 percent so no it's not safe to say. He was fed stiffs. Also Joshua will be allowed to punch wilder in this fight right? Joshua much higher ko percentage in real fights than Wilder and wilder not the best chin or defense. Seems far more likely Joshua kos wilder but wilder avoided the fight. 100 million wasn't enough for him lol. He said he wanted to stay loyal lol

[billeau2]

Those are just generalities that you are throwing out. Let’s look at some real evidence:


Joshua To Team Wilder: Give Me $50 Million - I'll Sign Tomorrow!
https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...-sign-tomorrow

Deontay Wilder: Joshua Asked For $50 Million, We Provided That, He Didn't Take It
https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...-we-he-take-it

I know you too well to think you trust any media source absolutely. Both of us have put fourth ideas in the past, based on looking carefully at the motivations behind the message from the media. I do not think this information cited is any different. But if you do, more power to you.

[ShoulderRoll]

They provided nothing and you know it. They literally said send the contract and wilder said no lol. That's called calling someone's bluff. Its not an actual offer if it's not real. It's publicity. Guess you fell for it?

Wilder turned down an actual 100 million dollar contract placed at his feet. wilder confirmed this offer was real. Joshua confirmed wilders offer was not real. See the difference? If That's not ducking what is? Wilder avoided the fight at every turn too. We have the receipts. It was obviously a publicity tactic to call out the most popular guy while fighting stiffs. Why defend this? Even the first Fury fight was seen as a chery pick. Don't revise history.

I posted links to sources to back up what I said.

Where are your links? Or do you want us to just take your word for it?

[ShoulderRoll]

I know you too well to think you trust any media source absolutely. Both of us have put fourth ideas in the past, based on looking carefully at the motivations behind the message from the media. I do not think this information cited is any different. But if you do, more power to you.

Do you have any sources?

[billeau2]

They provided nothing and you know it. They literally said send the contract and wilder said no lol. That's called calling someone's bluff. Its not an actual offer if it's not real. It's publicity. Guess you fell for it?

Wilder turned down an actual 100 million dollar contract placed at his feet. wilder confirmed this offer was real. Joshua confirmed wilders offer was not real. See the difference? If That's not ducking what is? Wilder avoided the fight at every turn too. We have the receipts. It was obviously a publicity tactic to call out the most popular guy while fighting stiffs. Why defend this? Even the first Fury fight was seen as a chery pick. Don't revise history.

Ok where is your proof? Let me guess, a similar statement made to the press by a "team." At least Shoulder has a link with proof to examine. Where is your link?

[billeau2]

Wilder ko percentage agaisnt top 10 opponents is 25 percent so no it's not safe to say. He was fed stiffs. Also Joshua will be allowed to punch wilder in this fight right? Joshua much higher ko percentage in real fights than Wilder and wilder not the best chin or defense. Seems far more likely Joshua kos wilder but wilder avoided the fight. 100 million wasn't enough for him lol. He said he wanted to stay loyal lol

blah blah blah the same tired untrue shiat... Ko percentage, of course only against opponents magically rated does it count. You and kafkod both believe if you say it enough somehow it becomes true!

[billeau2]

Do you have any sources?

My source is the process of making the fight. It starts with an offer tendered, it goes to a legal team, a boiler plate is used and specifics filled in, then the contract is returned, ether to the original maker, or an escrow that holds it while things are negotiated. Every contract works this way, it is universal.

Then the promoters figure out their interests... I mean naturally right? Here is what I cannot prove: Exactly what interests, specifics both parties prioritized. And here is what I assume: "If, for example, it was decided that Joshua was vulnerable to the big punch, his team would probably: Not tell him, and use some other tactic to change the agreement, while claiming the other side was at fault... Im just using Joshua as an example, could also be something with Wilder...

back to what I know: Some press agent would come up with a statement making the other side at fault. So that is what I know, and that is what I assume.

[PRINCEKOOL]

From a marketing perspective sure. Wilder probably isn't even top 10 in his era 2015-now. I can probably name 10 people with better resumes just off tbe top of my head: Ruiz Jr, Dubois, Parker, Whyte, joyce, Zhang, Fury, usyk, Joshua. Kabayel. Wlad and povetkin are much better but most their accomplishments came before 2015 so if you don't want to count them. Wilder maybe 11 to 13th best with 0 wins over my top 10 guys of the era and yeah it's my list but it's scientifically correct. People are fascinated by him because of his marketing.

If Deontay Wilder did not just so happened to of ever held the WBC World Heavyweight title 'Then maybe you could rate fighters such as Dillian Whyte, Joseph Parker, Joe Joyce, Daniel Dubois and Andy Ruiz Junior over him. But the very fact that Deontay Wilder was the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, and made 10 successful defenses of his title. This elevates him way above all of those fighters'.

The three Heavyweight Mountains of this era are 'Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. If this boxing era was made into a motion picture, then those three fighters would be the main characters. 90% of the entire movie, would be covering their careers and fights. All those other fighters you have just mentioned would not really be playing a major role in the movie, and only Oleksandr Uysk would come into prominence in the latter sagas of the motion picture. But in my opinion, not even Oleksandr Uysk and his role in this Heavyweight era would up stage Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder's contribution to the Division'.

Note: Tyson Fury was the first Heavyweight fighter in close to 10 years to breach the defenses of the Kiltschko occupation of the Heavyweight Division. And then Anthony Joshua forced Wladimir Kiltschko into retirement, beating him conclusively by knock out in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Those catalytic events, took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty'.

By the time Oleksandr Uysk entered into the Heavyweight Division 'Most of the Heavyweight Division was already completely cleared out. All the most impactful, significant Heavyweight fights and sagas of the era had already taken place. Tyson Fury had already disappeared from the game unfortunately due to his then circumstance, and then his return. The Greatest Heavyweight Trilogy since Rid**** Bowe vs Evander Holyfield in Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury. The Greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years in Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua. Andy Ruiz Junior's victory over Anthony Joshua, and then Joshua immediately avenging that loss and becoming a Two Time World Heavyweight Champion'.

That is the main synopsis of this Heavyweight era 'Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder have all been involved in the most significant Heavyweight fights of this era. All of the major catalytic moments of this era have involved those three fighters. That is why in part I refer to them as the three Heavyweight mountains of this era'.

I personally rate Oleksandr Uysk as the pound for pound best fighter in the world 'And he has achieved this rating, due to his two wins over Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. Which I regard as the greatest pound for pound wins in the sport of the past 15 years. Oleksandr Uysk is also the most accomplished active fighter in the sport, he has achieved the pinnacle at all levels of the sport. Olympic Champion, and two times Undisputed Champion in the Cruiserweight and Heavyweight Division's'.

To conclude: Oleksandr Uysk to his credit entered the Heavyweight Division at a opportune time 'Which in my opinion aided him in his quest to become the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World. If Uysk would have entered the Heavyweight Division just a few years earlier, then he would have had to of beaten more top level Heavyweight fighters. The only reason why he went straight into fighting Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. Was because? The Heavyweight Division had already been cleared out in combination by Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder'.

So when I describe Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'As the Three Heavyweight Mountains of this era. It is because they have been the bench mark, they have been the three summits for the large majority of this Heavyweight era. It has ultimately been their era, because they fought on all the major battle fronts taking in all comers as Champions. But Oleksandr Uysk has taken the ultimate victory in becoming the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion' etc.