Why do people still challenge AJ more than Wilder ?

[deathofaclown]

Yeah, money but i'd say even that is diminishing as a payday.

I doubt AJ will be selling any stadiums in the UK anymore unless he fights Fury. I think the public are moving on from AJ now, he was already dwindling in ticket sales a few years ago, but the domestic dust up with Dubois did well because AJ looked good in a few easy fights.

The public won't fall for it again, so there will be no rebuild for AJ. If he and Hearn want to fill a stadium, it's only happening Vs Fury. Otherwise he's gonna just become cannon fodder for the Saudi's, like Wilder has become.

Wilder on the other hand has never been a huge draw, not on that level anyway. There's no huge value in beating this washed up version of Wilder.

[NihonJim]

I cant remember the exact situation but wasnt there some kind of weird stipulations like he had to sign the contract within 24 hours or some **** like that?.

That's exactly what happened, in fact it wasn't even a contract, it was an offer sheet, Hearn requested a meeting to discuss terms, was denied and told he had 24 hours yes or no.

It was a PR stunt from wilders team and nothing more.

[daggum]

That's exactly what happened, in fact it wasn't even a contract, it was an offer sheet, Hearn requested a meeting to discuss terms, was denied and told he had 24 hours yes or no.

It was a PR stunt from wilders team and nothing more.

Wilder got his bluff called pretty simple. There was no real offer is what people should say but they are fans with agendas so they leave out the part where wikder ran away from his own offer! Which obviously means it wasn't real. Joshua's 100 million offer on the other hand was very real and wilder ran away from that too. Put this all together and wilder didn't want the fight obviously. Look at all the bums he fought and oh yeah it's clear what they were doing, manufacturing a knockout puncher star! Nope didn't work. Exposed

[PRINCEKOOL]

Quite simply because there is more to gain by beating Anthony Joshua 'Both in terms of prestige, and business opportunity. Deontay Wilder as an opponent does not have the level of prestige or create the business opportunities to the same level of Joshua'.

Although certain sections of the boxing community, may attempt to mock Joshua 'His fellow competitors have always held him in very high esteem, both for his ability and resume. You only have to listen to how former rivals speak about him such as Dillian Whyte, Oleksandr Uysk, Wladimir Kiltschko, Joseph Parker and the list goes on. None of those fighters undermine, or devalue Anthony Joshua as a fighter. Even the fighters, who have not fought Joshua, always hold him in very high regard as a fighter. The Olympic Champion and Former Two Time World Heavyweight Champion'.

In comparison 'It is only really Tyson Fury who speaks highly of Deontay Wilder 'He is not as revered or respected to the same level as Anthony Joshua by his nearest competition or even people within the boxing community. Fighters, promoters and hardcore boxing fans in a higher frequency seemed to all share the same opinion of Deontay Wilder? Which is that he has power, but he has never been skill for skill a great boxer'.

Eddie Hearn even many years before Wilder was beaten by Joseph Parker and Zhilei Zhang 'Stated in his own words, that Wilder very rarely wins rounds vs his opponents at top level. He is a top level fighter, that has the inability to win rounds consistently, but? That is what makes him exciting, because he can take his opponents out at any time. Deontay Wilder could win at elite level, but I would not be surprised if he also lost at domestic level. Those have been the views of Eddie Hearn throughout the years in the game'.

Note: Anthony Joshua has been one of the bench marks in the Heavyweight division since he forced Wladimir Kiltschko into retirement 'Nobody was really rating Daniel Dubois as a World to Elite level fighter, after beating Filip Hrgovic or Jarrell Miller. It was only when Daniel Dubois beat Antony Joshua and had his Any Given Saturday: In reference to the movie Any Given Sunday: 1999. That was the point in Dubois's career, when he was now universally being rated as a genuine World Champion and Elite level fighter. Because he proved himself and his ability, vs one of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this Heavyweight era Anthony Joshua'.

To conclude: Overall both fighters are still targets for all up and coming fighters 'But outside of the title holders in the Division, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua are still the biggest fights for any heavyweight fighter. If a heavyweight fighter is able to beat ether Fury and Joshua, the trajectory of their career goes up and out of the stratosphere. Oleksandr Uysk became a superstar fighter only after beating Anthony Joshua, Daniel Dubois was only genuinely rated as a World Champion and Elite level fighter only after beating Anthony Joshua. Andy Ruiz Junior celebrated like it was 1999 all over again, after beating Anthony Joshua. When Heavyweight fighters beat Joshua, their lives and careers go through the stratosphere'.

Although beating Deontay Wilder is still a colossal achievement, it does not quite have the same intensity of effect on a fighter's career. Joseph Parker is still being pushed aside, and stalled of title fights even though he has beaten Deontay Wilder quite easily. In my opinion his standing in the sports would have been much stronger if he would have been Anthony Joshua II in a rematch'.

Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'Are the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era. But specifically Fury and Joshua are still the most formidable and yearned after Mountains to climb. And this is why more fighters still want to challenge Anthony Joshua, more than Deontay Wilder as competitors' etc.

[ShoulderRoll]

I cant remember the exact situation but wasnt there some kind of weird stipulations like he had to sign the contract within 24 hours or some **** like that? around 2018ish? from what I remember there was a contract offer from Wilders side where it just seemed like games were being played and it was a publicity stunt. The way Wilder/Fury signed to a multi fight deal seemingly out of nowhere when Fury was still visibly out of shape a few months into his comeback looking like **** was weird too.

Again, nobody knows who ducked who, or if they both ducked each other to some degree, or if it was more the people around them causing issues. To this day you get plenty of people accusing Wilder of being the one ducking, we've seen it in this very thread. The situation was and probably always will be inconclusive.

It’s besides the point anyway, AJ was the bigger star. A lot of it was because of the UK audience but part of it was also because he stepped up more quickly and consistently. Wilder didnt have a genuinely big fight until Ortiz almost TEN ****ING YEARS into his career. He was probably never going to be a huge star either way because Americans just dont care about boxing like that now, but if it had been him fighting and beating Wlad etc instead of treading water for years he at least would have been bigger than he was.

Joshua was an Olympic gold medalist. He was always going to step up more quickly than Wilder, who didn’t take up boxing until he was in college.

Nothing out of the ordinary about a nobody who had to develop and work his way to the top taking longer.

[SUBZER0ED]

Joshua was an Olympic gold medalist. He was always going to step up more quickly than Wilder, who didn’t take up boxing until he was in college.

Nothing out of the ordinary about a nobody who had to develop and work his way to the top taking longer.

I give credit to Deontay Wilder for taking up boxing, to care for his daughter who was born with spina bifida. He may not be the best boxer, but he's a heck of a dad.

[daggum]

Joshua was an Olympic gold medalist. He was always going to step up more quickly than Wilder, who didn’t take up boxing until he was in college.

Nothing out of the ordinary about a nobody who had to develop and work his way to the top taking longer.

Wilder won bronze in 2008. Joshua gold in 2012 and if you watched those fights Joshua was gifted the gold. He wasn't good.

Even though Joshua wasn't very good they still took chances. Wilder they didn't want to take any chances even when he was champ for years they matched him with pbc stiffs.

Obviously they thought Fury was shot and wilder got exposed but because they had monetary incentives they protected wklder and manufactured him into something he wasn't which was a top fighter.

They just got luxky joshau was good. He could have been a bust like wikder but Joshua had more respect than wklder and wanted to find out if he was tbe real deal. Wilder didn't want to know. He was happy pretending.

[daggum]

Quite simply because there is more to gain by beating Anthony Joshua 'Both

Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'Are the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era. But specificall

From a marketing perspective sure. Wilder probably isn't even top 10 in his era 2015-now. I can probably name 10 people with better resumes just off tbe top of my head: Ruiz Jr, Dubois, Parker, Whyte, joyce, Zhang, Fury, usyk, Joshua. Kabayel. Wlad and povetkin are much better but most their accomplishments came before 2015 so if you don't want to count them. Wilder maybe 11 to 13th best with 0 wins over my top 10 guys of the era and yeah it's my list but it's scientifically correct. People are fascinated by him because of his marketing.

[billeau2]

Except we do know what happened, billeau2.

The sequence of events can be documented with BoxingScene articles from that period.

Nah... Ill tell you why:

the fighters already are at least two steps removed form those negotiating on their behalf. Even the promoters ultimately rely on legal teams to make provisions that are iron clad. This means at any time a legal representative could have said " I do not like this contract," and people would listen. What did he not like about the contract? We may never know. It may be a clause, conditions for options, like rematch, etc...

Then promoters enter the picture. They are protecting their interests through their fighters interests. Would Hearn Let AJ EVER fight Wilder? Who knows? Did Wilder's team see a problem? Point being what we hear is probably not the real problem which will always be the interests of the promoters.

Fighters are the bottom rung here. Even what they are told may not be true.

[billeau2]

Wilder got his bluff called pretty simple. There was no real offer is what people should say but they are fans with agendas so they leave out the part where wikder ran away from his own offer! Which obviously means it wasn't real. Joshua's 100 million offer on the other hand was very real and wilder ran away from that too. Put this all together and wilder didn't want the fight obviously. Look at all the bums he fought and oh yeah it's clear what they were doing, manufacturing a knockout puncher star! Nope didn't work. Exposed

So here are you a really bad source of information and Shoulder Roll, a good source of information arguing over a contractual process. Lets say someone with some credability steps into your shoes here, we have two sides to what happened with the AJ Wilder fight... I call that a clue.

Newspapers are told what they want to hear by both parties... Right? So you and Shoulder both share one distinction, neither of you can possibly know about the contract and why it did not go through... though for the record I trust Shoulder's POV a lot more than your POV.