Comments Thread For: Peace of his mind: Ryan Garcia says he has 'gotten back to reality'

[IronDanHamza]

If Ryan KOs Devin or puts him down in any of the rounds with a left hook and he tests clean, it proves what most believe. That Ryan's left hook can hurt everyone at 147 or below and and that his left hook gives him a puncher's chance at beating anyone at or below 147 without Ostarine.

It actually does not prove anything in regards to the first fight with Haney. He was on PEDs in the first fight, anything that happened in that fight was with the assistance of PEDs.

All a second fight would prove is he can do what he did to Haney with it, without it also. Still doesn't change the fact that he did it with the assistance of PEDs the first time.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

It actually does not prove anything in regards to the first fight with Haney. He was on PEDs in the first fight, anything that happened in that fight was with the assistance of PEDs.

All a second fight would prove is he can do what he did to Haney with it, without it also. Still doesn't change the fact that he did it with the assistance of PEDs the first time.

If he does KO him or put Devin on his butt at least once(which I'm not saying will happen), I would argue that the Ostarine he tested positive for wasn't why he wobbled him in the first round and put him on his butt the 3 other times in their first fight. You think that because Ostarine was found in his system, Ostarine is one of the reasons why Ryan was able to floor him 3 times, cool!

I happen to think that Ryan was able to putt Devin on his butt because that is what Ryan has done to 85% of his opponents when he lands that lighting fast left hook. If smaller slower fighters were able to connect and wobble Devin, I certainly believe Ryan would be able to do the same. I'm cool with you disagreeing.

[IronDanHamza]

If he does KO him or put Devin on his butt at least once(which I'm not saying will happen), I would argue that the Ostarine he tested positive for wasn't why he wobbled him in the first round and put him on his butt the 3 other times in their first fight. You think that because Ostarine was found in his system, Ostarine is one of the reasons why Ryan was able to floor him 3 times, cool!

You can't make that argument though I'm afraid. We know that whatever happened in the first fight, was under the assistance of PEDs. That's just a fact of the matter. What happens in the second fight has nothing to do with the first fight.

I happen to think that Ryan was able to putt Devin on his butt because that is what Ryan has done to 85% of his opponents when he lands that lighting fast left hook. If smaller slower fighters were able to connect and wobble Devin, I certainly believe Ryan would be able to do the same. I'm cool with you disagreeing.

Again, irrelevant.

Just because he may be capable of doing it without the assistance of PED's doesn't change the fact it happened in the first fight under the assistance of PEDs.

It won't prove or disprove anything regarding the first fight.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

You can't make that argument though I'm afraid. We know that whatever happened in the first fight, was under the assistance of PEDs. That's just a fact of the matter. What happens in the second fight has nothing to do with the first fight.



Again, irrelevant.

Just because he may be capable of doing it without the assistance of PED's doesn't change the fact it happened in the first fight under the assistance of PEDs.

It won't prove or disprove anything regarding the first fight.

Sure I can, because we know that Ryan didn't test positive the other times he was tested. Ryan didn't take Ostarine until a day or two days before weigh in, which leads me to believe that he took Ostarine to try and lose as many pounds as possible in a hurry. I doubt the amount that was found in his system was enough to affect his speed and strength in just a matter of days.

Again, Ryan always had a puncher's chance to catch and hurt Devin with his left hook, and he caught him multiple times with the same left hook. Devin knows that Ryan can hurt him anytime he catches him with that left just like he did the first time around, which is why Devin is working hard in the gym to learn to avoid that left. We'll soon find out how much Devin has improved at avoiding that left hook.

[IronDanHamza]

Sure I can, because we know that Ryan didn't test positive the other times he was tested.

Nope, you can't. You objectively can't. You're not really grasping how this thing works.

Nothing that happened before, or happens after, will prove or disprove anything regarding the first fight. The first fight he was under the assistance of PEDs and that's just a fact of the matter. So all we know about that fight is what Ryan can do, ON PEDs. No more, no less. It's as simple as that.

Ryan didn't take Ostarine until a day or two days before weigh in, which leads me to believe that he took Ostarine to try and lose as many pounds as possible in a hurry. I doubt the amount that was found in his system was enough to affect his speed and strength in just a matter of days.

Already addressed this in this thread. Just because that was the time he popped, doesn't mean that's the only time he was using. He got caught with trace amounts like 99% of other boxers do yes, that's usually due to the fact they are masking the drugs they're using. That doesn't mean he was only taking trace amounts nor was it the only time he was taking the PED.

Again, Ryan always had a puncher's chance to catch and hurt Devin with his left hook, and he caught him multiple times with the same left hook. Devin knows that Ryan can hurt him anytime he catches him with that left just like he did the first time around, which is why Devin is working hard in the gym to learn to avoid that left. We'll soon find out how much Devin has improved at avoiding that left hook.

And again that is totally irrelevant. I can't keep saying the same thing over and over and make it any clearer.

Devin knows he can hit him and hurt him, UNDER THE ASSITANCE OF PEDS. That is all we know for sure. We don't know anything else.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Nope, you can't. You objectively can't. You're not really grasping how this thing works.

Nothing that happened before, or happens after, will prove or disprove anything regarding the first fight. The first fight he was under the assistance of PEDs and that's just a fact of the matter. So all we know about that fight is what Ryan can do, ON PEDs. No more, no less. It's as simple as that.




Already addressed this in this thread. Just because that was the time he popped, doesn't mean that's the only time he was using. He got caught with trace amounts like 99% of other boxers do yes, that's usually due to the fact they are masking the drugs they're using. That doesn't mean he was only taking trace amounts nor was it the only time he was taking the PED.



And again that is totally irrelevant. I can't keep saying the same thing over and over and make it any clearer.

Devin knows he can hit him and hurt him, UNDER THE ASSITANCE OF PEDS. That is all we know for sure. We don't know anything else.

None of the bolded are facts in Ryan's case though, it was never proven that he was taking peds at other times. He was tested other times and turned up clean, that's a fact. You can believe that he was taking peds prior to when he did test positive, but it would be just an opinion and not a fact.

As for Devin knowing or believing that Ryan can hit him and hurt him only under the assistance of peds, I would have to say that I don't believe that because Devin knows that he's been hit by smaller and slower fighters than Ryan. But if you honestly believe that Devin as a professional boxer wouldn't think that Ryan would be quicker and hit harder than the smaller guys that he was hit and hurt by, well, that leaves me perplexed that you would think that.

[Cool story]

Already addressed that nonsense statement also. It's either you can't read or you're choosing not to read.

Nobody knows that. All we know is what Garcia can do to Haney whilst having the assistance of PEDs.

That is objectively all we know.

That’s because u probably don’t like Ryan but Haney got exposed as being a fraud

[Cool story]

It seems like you're defending Ryan Garcia's PED use.

Why is that?

see man everyone knows u are full of it
Like I says Haney n his dad and Haney fans and Ryan haters and supporters know that osterine wasn’t the main reason lost lol
he was never that good
I picked Ryan to lose vs Haney

u just think u like some online boxing Ghandi lol

[champion4ever]

lol... Again, quite the stretch champion..... I hope you've read enough of my posts to know that I don't come here to personally attack anyone no matter who their favorite fighter might be.

I respect every fighter no matter what their style might be or what ethnicity they might be. You might see me criticize a behavior outside of the ring and I might enjoy a particular style more than another, but I understand that not all fighters are born with the same gift and every fighter has to utilize their best gift to win a fight doing it how they believe they can win the fight.

Stating that Ryan should be in prison for testing positive for Ostarine is an exaggeration out of anger due to either losing a fortune in the fight or being very closely related to Devin. I'd like to ask you a few questions and I'd appreciate honest answers to all.

1. Should Vargas had gone to prison for fighting Oscar on steroids and almost knocking him out during the first round?

2. Should Mosely have gone to prison for winning against Oscar while punching him in the face for 12 rounds after it was revealed that he was on peds?

3. Do you believe Ryan had a puncher's chance of beating Devin or at the least dropping him with his patented left hooks?

For the record, I believe Ryan purposely took Ostarine, probably for a different reason than you do, but I believe he purposely cheated and deserved the punishment he received. I also believe that by your standards, you would also like to see boxers go to prison for knocking down a fighter for hitting them after the bell has rung. Shoot, by your logic, Ortiz should have gone to prison for intentionally head butting Floyd because he could have seriously hurt Floyd.

Your reasoning doesn't belong in the boxing business for boxing is a hurt business. A boxer can lose his life fighting someone who isn't on a SARM or a Steroid. Fighters go into a ring to seriously try and hurt their opponent. Maybe boxing is too violent of a sport for you.

First, allow me to answer your questions; No. 1 should Vargas gone to prison for fighting Oscar on steroids and almost knocking him out during the first round? It all depends on the circumstances.

If he knowingly, willfully, deliberately and intentionally took steroids in order to cheat and gain an unfair advantage over Oscar. Then the answer to that question is an emphatic yes because he was proven guilty. His tests came back positive. So you can bet your bottom dollar I do.

No.2 Should Mosely have gone to prison for winning against Oscar while punching him in the face for 12 rounds after it was revealed that he was on peds? The answer to that question is no because there was no scientific evidence proving that he did.

All of his tests came back negative. His confession was not enough to incriminate him. He still had the presumption of innocence. It's like a man confessing to a crime that he committed but the DNA found at the crime scene does not match his DNA. So what would the investigators and the DA do in those type of situations? They would set him free.

No. 3, Do I believe Ryan had a puncher's chance of beating Devin or at least dropping him with his patented left hooks? The answer to that question is yes. However, that is not the issue. Therefore, it is not a mitigating circumstance. The bottom line is he popped dirty and deliberately cheated.

He knew exactly what he was doing, taking and putting in his system was illegal. It was the reason why he chose to plead guilty because he knows he is guilty as sin and his attorneys did also. They knew he did it intentionally. Which was the reason why they didn't offer a defense.

Lastly, please knock it off with the strawman arguments. I know that boxing is a violent blood sport. Which is the more reason why there should always be an even and level playing field.

It's also the reason why doping with a performance enhancing drug is so dangerous. The sport is already dangerous enough. It could potentially cause great bodily harm while subsequently and easily resulting in a loss of life afterwards.

You said that you believe that Ryan knowingly and deliberately chose to use SARMS. Thank you, because I agree. However, someone close to him needs to tell him that because it's obvious that he is yet still in denial.

He continues to smear and blame others for his mistakes instead of admitting, acknowledging and confessing them himself. That is what a true man of God would do.

I just want him to man up and own it by forgiving himself first and then asking Devin Haney for forgiveness.

[champion4ever]

Well, you can't mention Haney !!!

Once again; More strawman arguments and deflecting by you so-called Ryan Garcia nut hugging fanboys. Devin Haney is not the issue here but Ryan Garcia is.

This is not a Devin Haney thread. It's a Ryan Garcia thread. If you want to discuss Devin Haney then let's do so in the appropriate topic. Haney is innocent.

Just have Ryan to fess up by admitting and acknowledging his transgressions. Tell him to take sole personal responsibility for his own actions and quit being coward.