Let’s call a spade a spade… Is Bivol “ducking” Benavidez?

[MulaKO]

well if shakur is turning down 3 mil a fight with arum saying its not enough but is happy to get paid half this amount then he needs to go see a doctor maybe?

Exactly lmao

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

but 2.5 mil for bud is not good its poor

bud made 3 mil a fight with arum for his entire career almost and was not happy about it

and he was fighting easy fights as well

u think hes gone back on this amount with only a few fights left? makes no sense whatsoever

same with bivol he gets same a v turdo and shakur low pay

if all of that is true i would have a jaw drop and means that turki pays no bonus at all! boxing almost always has some post fight upside! especially for big names

Bud made $3 million per fight with Arum regardless of how poorly the PPV sales were and they were low, Arum made it quite clear that he was losing money of Bud..

When Bud fought Spence, PBC guaranteed less than what he was making with Arum but taught him that the real money is in PPV upend not the guaranteed purse. He soon found out after fighting Spence that indeed the big money comes from the PPV upend, BUT ONLY if the fight sells extremely well. The Bud-Spence PPV did 750K, Bud for some reason thought that he was a PPV Star and would continue to keep doing high PPV numbers so he implemented the same formula with on his Madrimov fight with an added $500k-$700K to the guarantee, compliments of Turki.

That fight bombed and was a loss for Turki with no upend to add to the purse, but Turki promised Bud a sweeter deal next time out to make up for the low dollar amount. Tank still uses the same PPV formula with PBC, but is now realizing that unless his PPV numbers are above 500k he won't be making over 15-20 million.

That upend formula is great for the fighter when the fight does well, but sh-itty for the fighter when it does poorly. Ginger is the only fighter on the western hemisphere that gets a minimum of $35-$40 million per fight no matter how well or how bad his fights sell, because he has the rabid fanbase that buys every thing he puts out including his freaking Clenbuterol Tacos...

There's a reason why Bud only wants to fight Ginger, and that's because every fighter that fights Ginger earns money because of his successful PPV sales... Bud doesn't have a strong enough fanbase to do over 500K PPV buys against anybody. Not against Fundora, not even against Virgil and especially not against the ex Soviets. Even with Turki funding Bud's fights, he isn't getting a guarantee of over $5 million unless it's against Ginger.

The PPV upend isn't for big names, it's for big PPV numbers regardless if the guy is American, Tall or short, ugly or has a great sounding name..

[Smash]

Bud for some reason thought that he was a PPV Star and would continue to keep doing high PPV numbers so he implemented the same formula with on his Madrimov fight with an added $500k-$700K to the guarantee, compliments of Turki.

That fight bombed and was a loss for Turki with no upend to add to the purse, but Turki promised Bud a sweeter deal next time out to make up for the low dollar amount.

how the hell do u know this??

sweetner deals? are u in the room with these guys as a fly on the wall?

lots of guys earn good cash in boxing, haney has made big cash on fights and not a ppv star, hell even kambo has made millions

shakur getting 1.5 mil, bud 2.5 and bivol and beter 2.7 sounds very off to me!

if thats the case i will eat my keyboard and mouse lol

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

are you not clicking on the links im giving huh????????

https://www.sportysalaries.com/2024/...rutyunyan.html

this is the site that u quoted off by the way lol

Bro, I quoted that site to show the other poster that there was no actual proof or source of the amount that was truly made, I even bolded the word "Speculate" or "Project"(can't remember) to point out or identify that all articles are written without actual proof or source. Come on dude....

That link you provided states that Shakur would make $4.2 if the fight did 750K PPV buys. Do you honestly believe Shakur has ever done more than 150K PPV buys????

I don't think you're actually reading what I'm posting just like you've not bothered to even watch the podcast with Sulaiman as guest, yet are arguing details that you are not informed about.

[Smash]

Bro, I quoted that site to show the other poster that there was no actual proof or source of the amount that was truly made, I even bolded the word "Speculate" or "Project"(can't remember) to point out or identify that all articles are written without actual proof or source. Come on dude....

That link you provided states that Shakur would make $4.2 if the fight did 750K PPV buys. Do you honestly believe Shakur has ever done more than 150K PPV buys????

I don't think you're actually reading what I'm posting just like you've not bothered to even watch the podcast with Sulaiman as guest, yet are arguing details that you are not informed about.

its a great site cos u can give your opinion as well! lol

[MulaKO]

https://www.secondsout.com/news/wbc-...s-bivol-purse/

[Smash]

Bro, I quoted that site to show the other poster that there was no actual proof or source of the amount that was truly made, I even bolded the word "Speculate" or "Project"(can't remember) to point out or identify that all articles are written without actual proof or source. Come on dude....

That link you provided states that Shakur would make $4.2 if the fight did 750K PPV buys. Do you honestly believe Shakur has ever done more than 150K PPV buys????

I don't think you're actually reading what I'm posting just like you've not bothered to even watch the podcast with Sulaiman as guest, yet are arguing details that you are not informed about.

well if it means anything that shakur v artem fight was the most watched espn boxing event of 2024 i wont post a link u can check if u dont believe me lol

[Oracle01]

because thats how boxing works!

u are talking about top boxers getting low pay for them off a guy who has the rep of the highest pay and yet they are happy to say i will do rematches and go to saudi keep working with him etc and we all know boxers value one thing the most...... CASH!

But you are speculating how much extra they get, you have no evidence, so you should focus on the facts we do know, which is the GTD. Turki events are usually not even PPV or small PPV, so the majority of fighters pay would be from the guarantee anyway. If Bivol got 2.5m gtd, it won't boost upto 10m from bonuses, that makes no sense. Most of the money from turki is up front.

[Smash]

But you are speculating how much extra they get, you have no evidence, so you should focus on the facts we do know, which is the GTD. Turki events are usually not even PPV or small PPV, so the majority of fighters pay would be from the guarantee anyway. If Bivol got 2.5m gtd, it won't boost upto 10m from bonuses, that makes no sense. Most of the money from turki is up front.

u say most of the money is upfront so are u saying that there is some money not upfront then?

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

how the hell do u know this??

sweetner deals? are u in the room with these guys as a fly on the wall?

lots of guys earn good cash in boxing, haney has made big cash on fights and not a ppv star, hell even kambo has made millions

shakur getting 1.5 mil, bud 2.5 and bivol and beter 2.7 sounds very off to me!

if thats the case i will eat my keyboard and mouse lol

Bro, there was an interview with Bud after his fight with Spence and he articulated the deal that PBC laid out and how he learned closing that deal that the real money(when the PPV does well) is in a lower guarantee but high PPV upend. He said he was shocked how much he could make because with Arum he was only making a guarantee with no PPV upend. Even though he was making a higher guarantee with Arum, he was not making PPV upend.

How do I know that Turki sweetens the deal?? Eddie or whomever the promoter is, still has to honor his guaranteed obligation to his fighters, the reason fights weren't being made is because no promoter wanted to pay the higher purses that fighters are demanding, so Turki ads the money that the promoter doesn't want to lose, because unless it's Ginger, the PPV sales aren't gonna up the revenue to fulfill the obligation without the Promoter losing his shirt. Turki doesn't care about losing money, we know he isn't making money on PPV, his agenda isn't to make money, the agenda is to sports wash and promote tourism in SA, which will lead to further revenue for SA.

Haney made good money off of Kambo's Star power in OZ. Why do you think the fights were in OZ? Kambo had a huge following down there(not anymore). Kambo made way more money than Haney, because he generated the money down there, kind of like Ginger here in the states. Everyone gets paid when they fight Ginger...