Comments Thread For: Juan Manuel Marquez thinks 168lbs will be too much for Terence Crawford

[IronDanHamza]

Let me ask you. If what you're saying is true, would it be reasonable to think that all boxers are on PEDs including our favorite fighters who have never tested positive for anything?

Having worked in this field for decades, my (informed) opinion on it is the vast majority of elite athletes are taking some form of PEDs. Are they all? No.

It would definitely be reasonable to hold that opinion but, that's all it is, an opinion and speculation. Without the hard demonstrable evidence we just don't and will never know until there is any.

Is there a reason or any way of knowing that someone is definitely not on any sort of PED??

Nope. Impossible to know without either a positive test or extensive blood work.

There are athletes who I would say are extremely likely to be on PEDs, from my (informed) opinion. But that's all it is at the end of the day, an opinion. I can't know for sure without the evidence because there are genetic anomalies out there. So just because everything points to PED use doesn't necessarily mean it's PED use for sure.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Having worked in this field for decades, my (informed) opinion on it is the vast majority of elite athletes are taking some form of PEDs. Are they all? No.

It would definitely be reasonable to hold that opinion but, that's all it is, an opinion and speculation. Without the hard demonstrable evidence we just don't and will never know until there is any.



Nope. Impossible to know without either a positive test or extensive blood work.

There are athletes who I would say are extremely likely to be on PEDs, from my (informed) opinion. But that's all it is at the end of the day, an opinion. I can't know for sure without the evidence because there are genetic anomalies out there. So just because everything points to PED use doesn't necessarily mean it's PED use for sure.

I would be curious to know what(if any) pro boxers you think are extremely likely to be on PEDs. I obviously know that it's just your opinion, but I'd be interested in knowing who you think and why you feel they are on PEDs...

[IronDanHamza]

I would be curious to know what(if any) pro boxers you think are extremely likely to be on PEDs. I obviously know that it's just your opinion, but I'd be interested in knowing who you think and why you feel they are on PEDs...

Most of them, if I had to guess that is. As in, if I had to bet my house on it, then there's very few I'd say aren't.

Handpick basically any boxer from the Top 10 from any weight class and I would think you'd be hard pressed to find one that's not using (or used) PED's.

But again, doesn't mean they are.

Take someone like Antony Joshua as an immediate example. Do I think he's on PEDs? Yes. Everything would point to it. But on the flipside of that coin, he could just be in the 1% of people who are genetically gifted and he could be clean. It's certainly possible, at least. But I definitely wouldn't bet that way It's essentially the same situation with any elite athlete.

But that again is just an opinion, and speculation. We can't know someone is on PEDs, or used PEDs for sure until we have demonstrable evidence for it. So Canelo, for example. Quite an obvious case of a PED user if you were to ask me (pre positive test I'm talking about), and now we know demonstrably he has used PEDs, we have the evidence. So he's always going to have that stain there and people are always going to assume that he still is.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Most of them, if I had to guess that is. As in, if I had to bet my house on it, then there's very few I'd say aren't.

Handpick basically any boxer from the Top 10 from any weight class and I would think you'd be hard pressed to find one that's not using (or used) PED's.

But again, doesn't mean they are.

Take someone like Antony Joshua as an immediate example. Do I think he's on PEDs? Yes. Everything would point to it. But on the flipside of that coin, he could just be in the 1% of people who are genetically gifted and he could be clean. It's certainly possible, at least. But I definitely wouldn't bet that way It's essentially the same situation with any elite athlete.

But that again is just an opinion, and speculation. We can't know someone is on PEDs, or used PEDs for sure until we have demonstrable evidence for it. So Canelo, for example. Quite an obvious case of a PED user if you were to ask me (pre positive test I'm talking about), and now we know demonstrably he has used PEDs, we have the evidence. So he's always going to have that stain there and people are always going to assume that he still is.

Thanks for the reply!

[ELPacman]

I kind of agree. I didn't think Crawford looked great against Madrimov. Not just because Madrimov is tricky, I just thought he couldn't bully or show his strength against Madrimov that Madrimov hadn't already felt before or be afraid of. Considering Canelo has fought even bigger guys, I can't in any way think he's going to be afraid of what Crawford brings when he shows up. I don't care how "strong" Crawford is going to say he is at 168lbs. It's still a division he never competed in and Canelo has done plenty and above. I don't think a guy coming up will be as strong as the guys that had been settled in there for awhile and Canelo already faced.

At the end, he's chasing greatness and if he could pull it off, it would be an incredible win. If he loses, nobody would fault him and he leaves with a loser check to the tune of probably 10-15million+

[MulaKO]

Styles make fights
Bud will have much more success vs Canelo than he had with Madrimov imo

[crimsonfalcon07]

Most of them, if I had to guess that is. As in, if I had to bet my house on it, then there's very few I'd say aren't.

Handpick basically any boxer from the Top 10 from any weight class and I would think you'd be hard pressed to find one that's not using (or used) PED's.

But again, doesn't mean they are.

Take someone like Antony Joshua as an immediate example. Do I think he's on PEDs? Yes. Everything would point to it. But on the flipside of that coin, he could just be in the 1% of people who are genetically gifted and he could be clean. It's certainly possible, at least. But I definitely wouldn't bet that way It's essentially the same situation with any elite athlete.

But that again is just an opinion, and speculation. We can't know someone is on PEDs, or used PEDs for sure until we have demonstrable evidence for it. So Canelo, for example. Quite an obvious case of a PED user if you were to ask me (pre positive test I'm talking about), and now we know demonstrably he has used PEDs, we have the evidence. So he's always going to have that stain there and people are always going to assume that he still is.

I'm gonna quote this for convenience, but I wanted to just drop in and say thanks for the education with all these posts. I can frankly say I know very little about PEDs, and I appreciate the look behind the curtain, if you will.

-edit- On another unrelated note, Crawford recently said in an interview with Manouk Akopyan that he's thinking about dropping back down to 154 for the Fundora and Murtazaliev fights. Which really aggravates me, because we've already found out that he told WBO he wasn't dropping back down and will thus be vacating his interim title and title shot vs Fundora. That means Vergil Ortiz has the legal right to the next shot at the winner of Zayas v Fundora. Like WTF Bud, make up your d*mn mind. Although, I'm selfishly hoping he not only pulls off the unthinkable and beats Canelo, but then does manage to clear, say, Ortiz and Murtazaliev by then, and then maybe caps off with a belt at 160 to make him a 6 division champ and 4 division undisputed.

[hitmanjosh]

I think Crawford might be stronger and bigger than most people think. I always found it odd seeing so many professional boxers around my height fighting at 147-160. When at the best shape of my life and going through bootcamp. I was still 170lbs ( lean ans mean). I think Crawford might surprise canelo when he can take some of his power. Now can he give it back over 12 rounds with out getting KO is the question. Lets get this fight signed already.

That's why your ass wasn't sucessful too!

[hitmanjosh]

Terence Crawford can't lose period and most don't get it, but he talked himself up into a mega fight with a mega star, hell lets be honest he looked like sh_t at 154 against a decent guy but no sensation. He won when they signed the monetary contract in my opinion enough said! I love what he's accomplished and he's done it for a long time but I haven't seen anything to make me bet all the tea in China on his ass! I'm just being real