Comments Thread For: Juan Manuel Marquez thinks 168lbs will be too much for Terence Crawford

[crimsonfalcon07]

but canelo got popped for mexican beef after the 1st GGG fight. those names you mentioned came after the first GGG fight. so canelo was off the mexican beef by then.

You serious? Maybe DM IronDan and ask him about the concept of cycles. Multiple fighters from that gym popped positive after that. He was just the first. Not like he was or is on 24/7/365 VADA... The gym just got extra scrutiny after Oct 2021 because every champ in the gym had popped positive. Note, I'm not saying it's definitive, just that it's a distinct possibility.

i never said the tko wasnt legit... but we are talking about KO here, amir khan type ko.... canelo hasnt had any of that since 2016.

No, we absolutely were not. You were responding to me talking about how Canelo hasn't gotten a stoppage (which includes TKO's, by definition) since 2021. You made up some BS about how it's only about him fighting guys bigger than 147, when Khan is the ONLY 147 lber he's fought since 2010, and all the rest were when he was a welterweight himself, I proved you wrong with multiple examples, and now you're trying to backpedal rather than admit you were wrong and Canelo has plenty of stoppages of guys who were above 147. 14, in point of fact.

[hugh grant]

He can ride off into the sunset off that Canelo scratch

Yes, i think Bud would retire if he wins, Bud isnt one to take on all comers. But if Bud loses, then we might see him fight some names.

[IceTrayDaGang]

You serious? Maybe DM IronDan and ask him about the concept of cycles. Multiple fighters from that gym popped positive after that. He was just the first. Not like he was or is on 24/7/365 VADA... The gym just got extra scrutiny after Oct 2021 because every champ in the gym had popped positive. Note, I'm not saying it's definitive, just that it's a distinct possibility.



No, we absolutely were not. You were responding to me talking about how Canelo hasn't gotten a stoppage (which includes TKO's, by definition) since 2021. You made up some BS about how it's only about him fighting guys bigger than 147, when Khan is the ONLY 147 lber he's fought since 2010, and all the rest were when he was a welterweight himself, I proved you wrong with multiple examples, and now you're trying to backpedal rather than admit you were wrong and Canelo has plenty of stoppages of guys who were above 147. 14, in point of fact.

proved me wrong on what? you said canelo hasnt had a stoppage since 2021 and that he could possibly be on that mexican beef at that time.

i responded by saying i dont think the ko's has much to do with the mexican beef, but the fact that canelo is not fighting 147 fighters moving up in weight anymore. he's now fighting fighters who belong in that division. which is why his KO ratio dropped... are you implying that "clen" gives you power? i thought yall was saying it helps you cut down in weight which is why canelo was on it since he needed help dropping pounds.

[IceTrayDaGang]

You serious? Maybe DM IronDan and ask him about the concept of cycles. Multiple fighters from that gym popped positive after that. He was just the first. Not like he was or is on 24/7/365 VADA... The gym just got extra scrutiny after Oct 2021 because every champ in the gym had popped positive. Note, I'm not saying it's definitive, just that it's a distinct possibility.



No, we absolutely were not. You were responding to me talking about how Canelo hasn't gotten a stoppage (which includes TKO's, by definition) since 2021. You made up some BS about how it's only about him fighting guys bigger than 147, when Khan is the ONLY 147 lber he's fought since 2010, and all the rest were when he was a welterweight himself, I proved you wrong with multiple examples, and now you're trying to backpedal rather than admit you were wrong and Canelo has plenty of stoppages of guys who were above 147. 14, in point of fact.

canelo got popped for his rematch fight against G in 2018... he didnt fight kov until end of 2019.. are you implying that the mexican beef is still in his system, a year later? even after enrolling in vada testing?

[crimsonfalcon07]

proved me wrong on what? you said canelo hasnt had a stoppage since 2021 and that he could possibly be on that mexican beef at that time.

i responded by saying i dont think the ko's has much to do with the mexican beef, but the fact that canelo is not fighting 147 fighters moving up in weight anymore. he's now fighting fighters who belong in that division. which is why his KO ratio dropped... are you implying that "clen" gives you power? i thought yall was saying it helps you cut down in weight which is why canelo was on it since he needed help dropping pounds.

I named multiple fighters who he stopped who weren't moving up from 147... Yet more terrible takes from you. Seriously. Do some research. I'm far from an expert in PEDs, but c'mon now. The joke is that he blamed Mexican tacos for his positive test, but every champ from that gym popped positive for PEDs, and not just clenbuterol. When people really started questioning how many Reynoso fighters were testing positive in October 2021, the KO streak abruptly went away. You want to learn from someone in the forum, talk to IronDan. He's the main guy I know on here who's used gear. He can explain how fighters can take PEDs and avoid positive tests and how to use other drugs (maskers, iirc) to help cover other ones. As usual, you don't want to admit that you're wrong, or educate yourself. Unless you think that career super middleweights like Saunders, Plant, Yildirim, etc were moving up from 147. Kovalev was moving up from 147? Rocky Fielding? Liam Smith, Angulo? I'm done responding to you here.

[IronDanHamza]

canelo got popped for his rematch fight against G in 2018... he didnt fight kov until end of 2019.. are you implying that the mexican beef is still in his system, a year later? even after enrolling in vada testing?

He's implying that he could still be using PEDs for that fight. (Or any fight post that for that matter)

Not that the literal same PED's he used that he got popped for are still in his system 1 year later.

[IronDanHamza]

proved me wrong on what? you said canelo hasnt had a stoppage since 2021 and that he could possibly be on that mexican beef at that time.

i responded by saying i dont think the ko's has much to do with the mexican beef, but the fact that canelo is not fighting 147 fighters moving up in weight anymore. he's now fighting fighters who belong in that division. which is why his KO ratio dropped... are you implying that "clen" gives you power? i thought yall was saying it helps you cut down in weight which is why canelo was on it since he needed help dropping pounds.

Clenbuterol is a drug that's main components are to aid in fat/weight loss but it's also a drug that increases recovery rate and can aid in the gain in strength and muscle mass at the same time (which is why it's so popular) so yes it can aid toward "giving an athlete power" for lack of a better term.

[IceTrayDaGang]

He's implying that he could still be using PEDs for that fight. (Or any fight post that for that matter)

Not that the literal same PED's he used that he got popped for are still in his system 1 year later.

but i just pointed out that canelo was enrolled in vada for all those fights!

[IceTrayDaGang]

I named multiple fighters who he stopped who weren't moving up from 147... Yet more terrible takes from you. Seriously. Do some research. I'm far from an expert in PEDs, but c'mon now. The joke is that he blamed Mexican tacos for his positive test, but every champ from that gym popped positive for PEDs, and not just clenbuterol. When people really started questioning how many Reynoso fighters were testing positive in October 2021, the KO streak abruptly went away. You want to learn from someone in the forum, talk to IronDan. He's the main guy I know on here who's used gear. He can explain how fighters can take PEDs and avoid positive tests and how to use other drugs (maskers, iirc) to help cover other ones. As usual, you don't want to admit that you're wrong, or educate yourself. Unless you think that career super middleweights like Saunders, Plant, Yildirim, etc were moving up from 147. Kovalev was moving up from 147? Rocky Fielding? Liam Smith, Angulo? I'm done responding to you here.

his KO went away since 2016!!! even when he got popped for the G fight, why didnt he put G to sleep then? and those names you brought up, i already explained that those were ref stoppage TKO, canelo never had a amir khan type KO ever since he started fighting guys who belong in that division.

and you are bringing up irondan for clarification of ped use? the same dan who believe marquez has no intention of cheating when he hooked up with memo after 3 failed attemps at securing a win over manny. but then implies that manny is dirty for being associated with ariza.

[IronDanHamza]

but i just pointed out that canelo was enrolled in vada for all those fights!

So what?