Comments Thread For: ?BoMac?: Terence Crawford is fighting Canelo Alvarez for legacy? and then maybe bowing out

[SteveM]

I feel the same tbh. Because he's 37 been a pro for 17 years and been boxing all together since he was about 8-9 years old so we don't what wear and tear he has on his body and how hard he puts his body through in these camps to be able to perform at the level he does. He knows his body and what it can do and he probably feels like this here against canelo is gonna be the one last big camp he puts himself through. But obviously the weight disparity is the big issue here

Your post encapsulates it all, well nearly. The only thing you left out was the mental side of pushing yourself through a hellish camp - you have to have a reason. Becoming a unified champion at 168 - five weight classes above where you started - and against a hof like Canelo definitely gets you out of bed in the morning during camp.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Nuthugger

Lmfao

smh.. causals. kinda sus to have another's man junk on yo mind dont you tink?

[boxingitis]

Well, doh! Of course that's what it is - but he's with some chance to beat Canelo and if he does that he's instant ATG - him Floyd and PAC as best fighters of 21st century

Well Doh! The Title of the Article says Legacy and Everyone including yourself KNOWS it's for the MONEY.

IT should say he is fighting for MONEY, and he has a "chance" to become an all time great and LEGACY,

[Nash out]

The winner of this fight is the greatest of all time. Crawford has only ever lost rounds to the great Amir Kahn and actually beat Madrimov 12-0 with underappreciated invisible work. Whilst some can argue that Canelo has lost, we all know that he beat Bivol, Green Canelo that Mayweather beat is Green Canelo, not Canelo, so, that's really a different man, and his two early losses in Mexico were wiped from his record because the guys who beat him were eating Canelo's meat, paid for by Canelo himself, and stolen from him, so, obviously DQ wins if anything.

Nashtrodamus predicts Crawford from behind with a 9th-round KO after Canelo is distracted by ringside interference from TBE Mayweather, which is unnoticed by the referee. Canelo accepts that he needs to protect himself at all times, the men shake hands, and both thank Amir Khan for what he taught them in the ring as Mayweather admits he ducked two men in his career. Khan and Golovkin. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty

[MulaKO]

The winner of this fight is the greatest of all time. Crawford has only ever lost rounds to the great Amir Kahn and actually beat Madrimov 12-0 with underappreciated invisible work. Whilst some can argue that Canelo has lost, we all know that he beat Bivol, Green Canelo that Mayweather beat is Green Canelo, not Canelo, so, that's really a different man, and his two early losses in Mexico were wiped from his record because the guys who beat him were eating Canelo's meat, paid for by Canelo himself, and stolen from him, so, obviously DQ wins if anything.

Nashtrodamus predicts Crawford from behind with a 9th-round KO after Canelo is distracted by ringside interference from TBE Mayweather, which is unnoticed by the referee. Canelo accepts that he needs to protect himself at all times, the men shake hands, and both thank Amir Khan for what he taught them in the ring as Mayweather admits he ducked two men in his career. Khan and Golovkin. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty

And I thought it would be a ladder match
lmao

[ptek]

If he's fighting for legacy, why wasn't it him in with Fundora instead of Booker? Clear him and Murtazaliev, and he's already the only 3 division undisputed champ in 4 belt history, and the fight with Canelo becomes must watch, and he likely commands a far larger purse in it. Then he beats Canelo and retires as the only 4 division undisputed champ that likely will ever be, and cements his ATG status. Surely if he can beat Canelo, he can beat lesser and smaller fighters who aren't P4P, like Fundora and Murtazaliev?

As a long time fan of Crawford, it's disappointing to me to see him talk like this and not take the opportunities he even petitioned for that would have given him an argument for being maybe THE greatest. Not taking them makes me feel like he knows he was lucky to get the nod vs Madrimov, and is going for one last cash grab.

So have you only now started watching boxing recently or something ???,

Because Fundora didn't want the Crawford fight when it was presented to him an his team,

They wanted Spence instead.

As for the other IBF champ, he's relatively unknown so not a bit fight money wise for Crawford.

Like Crawford stated in that interview , he's supposed to beat these guys, it's not a challenge for him.

Canelo is a challenge and a fight Crawford ain't supposed to win, there's a clear difference.

[crimsonfalcon07]

1st off, maximum respect for being in a boxing gym by the sounds of it at +37 yrs old.
I disagree with much of what you say. Not all mind you, but much. Styles make fights. I personally believe Bud can outbox Canelo decisively enough to get the points win. It's a 60-40 fight in Camelia favour for me. Fighting all these lesser fighters won't be the best prep for Canelo. There's two arguments for Bud being relatively inactive, one is he might be a bit rusty, I doubt it. Second is he won't be worn down by three training camps and sparring.
Now to your point about fighting Fundora and Murtazaliev. They are winnable for him but it's not guaranteed. I don't believe there's one fighter at 154 who can fight four of the top five and run the table. The more you fight the more you're likely to lose. I think Bud has his struggles against both of those two. Fighters have a built in health meter that wears down the more damage they take. So even if he beats both of them to unify 154 I disagree that he'd be stronger when eventually facing Canelo.
Then there's the business side. If Bud was to fight Fundora 2 days ago and then Mutazaliev in September who would Canelo fight in September? None of these fighters are invincible.
At their respective ages you take the easiest path to the most money and you strike while the iron is hot. Turki is both the path and the iron. Take his money while it's there. Sure, it won't add up to as much as if he also beat Fundora and Murtazaliev but it's more than enough and it's many degrees easier (although not easy)

I understand what you're saying. I really do. But you really trying to tell me he couldn't have smashed Fundora two days ago, and then fought Canelo in September? He had an ordered shot that would have given him the belt by email if Fundora ducked, and that's the easiest pair of belts to pick up right now in the division IMO.

So let's talk inactivity. Bud isn't historically active, although since he's also not been plagued by injury, it's frankly bizarre he wasn't fighting twice a year while he was getting frozen out by the PBC bozos. He'd easily have eclipsed Floyd's record (granted, against lesser competition, but the casuals would have eaten that up). I don't know why he re-signed with Top Rank, nor why they failed so badly at delivering him fights and hype, since IMO he's not a boring fighter to watch given his skills, power, and meanness when it comes time to get the finish. So that's a lot of strong points in his favor in terms of not getting too rusty. And you make an excellent point that Canelo hasn't been fighting anyone that will prepare him for a P4P fighter in Bud, aside from the point that he fought Jermell Charlo, who was undisputed at 154, and sat at #9 on the P4P lists prior to their fight... People didn't give him credit for that win, just as they won't give him credit after the fact for beating Crawford, but that was a guy who actually DID make undisputed at 154, and is bigger and stronger than Bud.

I've done a tactical breakdown before, but we have a good amount of evidence for what it takes to beat Canelo, what with Mayweather and Bivol. Or GGG 1. Crawford isn't going to be able to fight like Golovkin, so we can dispense with that. And we know exactly how Canelo fights. He'll be coming forward, and he's going to be targeting Crawford's arms and body to break him down. So you need two key things to beat him. Fast enough feet to stay out of his range, and volume (and the skills to apply that volume without getting countered). The volume point is a sticky one. The guys who beat him all threw over 42 punches a round, on average, with high accuracy. Mayweather threw 505 punches across 12, landing at a 46% rate, against a greener Canelo. Bivol, 710, while holding Canelo to landing at only 17.4%. and remember that despite outlanding Canelo in literally every round, often by wide margins, he barely won on the cards.

Crawford is an economical puncher, and I don't think he's thrown that kind of volume except in fights like the Avanesyan fight, in which he hugely outclassed and outgunned his opponent, and if he's ever done it for 12 rounds, it's been years. I'm not convinced he CAN throw that kind of volume, let alone with Canelo firepower coming at him, and let alone going up effectively 3 divisions in weight.

The next issue is that I really doubt he knows what it feels like to carry that much extra weight in a fight. I've never met a boxer who really did understand that, because they either are consummate gym **** who are never far from fighting weight, or they think it's going to just be an easier weight cut. Since my competition days are behind me and I've transitioned more to coaching, and have had to deal with weight gain thanks to adding to my family, I will tell you that the extra weight makes a noticeable difference. It saps the gas tank by a large margin, and takes months to really acclimate to, without even really getting to train the other skills. If I were in Bud's corner, I would be moving camp to high altitude just to get him ready in time for September, and I'd have done that months ago. It also slows you down, both offensively and defensively. Moves are harder to make, there's more stress on your joints, etc. It's not a huge amount, but fractions of a second add up in boxing. They are the difference between avoiding a punch, or not, or gassing before the distance or not. I've managed to keep myself in shape to do 24 rounds straight vs kids who are often at least 20 years younger than me, so that's not just a couch potato take. I really hope he's taking that weight gain seriously, or he'll end up just like Charlo.

But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he comes in the best shape of his life, ready to keep the feet moving and throw a career high number of punches to keep Canelo off him. That will allow him to be in a good, competitive fight, and maybe even outland Canelo with good shots. He's not going to drop or stop Canelo. If Golovkin couldn't, Bud sure can't. But let's say he overcomes everything I've said and does manage to be in that fight with Canelo, even getting the better of him. Unless he's winning in wide margins, Canelo will almost certainly still get the benefit of the doubt on the cards. So Bud has to be close to career best at 37, against the bigger, stronger, younger man with arguably the best chin in boxing, and be perfect for 12 rounds, AND he has to beat him widely enough that the judges can't give it to Canelo anyways. That's not a 60-40 fight to my eyes.

Don't get me wrong. I'll be rooting for Bud to pull it off. But boy is that a tall ask.

[Oregonian]

If he's fighting for legacy, why wasn't it him in with Fundora instead of Booker? Clear him and Murtazaliev, and he's already the only 3 division undisputed champ in 4 belt history, and the fight with Canelo becomes must watch, and he likely commands a far larger purse in it. Then he beats Canelo and retires as the only 4 division undisputed champ that likely will ever be, and cements his ATG status. Surely if he can beat Canelo, he can beat lesser and smaller fighters who aren't P4P, like Fundora and Murtazaliev?

As a long time fan of Crawford, it's disappointing to me to see him talk like this and not take the opportunities he even petitioned for that would have given him an argument for being maybe THE greatest. Not taking them makes me feel like he knows he was lucky to get the nod vs Madrimov, and is going for one last cash grab.

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Because if Crawford loses to any of the guys at 154, the big money fight with Canelo is kaput. But get this, if Scull somehow beats Canelo, the Canelo vs Bud fight may still happen.

[Oregonian]

Bo Mac is the same fool who carried a loaded gun at Heathrow Airport. Turki is a sucker for money grab fights. Canelo v Crawford is a ridiculous fight. Bo Mac is dumber than a rock and like Crawford, just looking to cash in on a BS fight. Can’t believe Turki is this s t u p I d.

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When will ignorant fans realize that Turki is a billionaire and his goal is not to make a profit.
The Saudi soccer league is the highest paying league in the world. Ronaldo is making $200 million a year and his team is certainly not making a profit.

So, no Turki is not a sucker for “money grab fights”.

The Undisputed Heavyweight Fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk reportedly lost over $1 billion in revenue. Not a big deal for Saudi Arabia

[crimsonfalcon07]

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When will ignorant fans realize that Turki is a billionaire and his goal is not to make a profit.
The Saudi soccer league is the highest paying league in the world. Ronaldo is making $200 million a year and his team is certainly not making a profit.

So, no Turki is not a sucker for “money grab fights”.

The Undisputed Heavyweight Fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk reportedly lost over $1 billion in revenue. Not a big deal for Saudi Arabia

Preach. The Saudis make enough in passive income in 2 HOURS to buy Top Rank or PBC outright. It's wild to me why people get all fussed about how they can't be making money.