Comments Thread For: ?BoMac?: Terence Crawford is fighting Canelo Alvarez for legacy? and then maybe bowing out

[SteveM]

I get what you're saying, but unless you're saying he's only got enough left at 37 for one more big effort, it looks like he knows it's a Hail Mary and that he found out fighting Madrimov that the guys at 154 were going to be hard fights that he could lose.

Here's my issue. Do any of you want to go on record saying that Murtazaliev or Fundora are on Canelo's level, and close to the same level of difficulty? Unless you can say that, it makes no sense that he'd struggle with competition at that level, two divisions down, but still have a chance with Canelo. If he can beat Canelo, those should be doable fights, and he had time to beat at least one of them prior to Canelo.

It should have been him in there instead of Booker. He literally asked for that fight and then ducked it. He'd have been more prepared for Canelo without as much ring rust, he'd have a better argument for winning as a 3 belt unified champ at 154, instead of barely squeaking by one guy and having that be the only belt at 154. He's effectively jumping up 3 weight divisions, taking more power while carrying more weight on those 37 year old legs. I'm older than him and still putting in the time in the gym, and I know full well what it feels like to fight younger, bigger guys on progressively older legs while carrying more weight.

I think not taking those fights and sitting inactive waiting for the money fight shows he's cashing out. And he'll be getting a fraction of the money for the fight that he would have if he'd followed the path I said, which is only possible if he's actually got the skills to beat Canelo. Only if he doesn't have the beating of Canelo does it make sense to avoid any other fights. And what's he going to do if Scull somehow pulls off the upset and Canelo gets tied up rematching him, or even if the fight gets delayed due to injury. Just sit out longer and longer?

1st off, maximum respect for being in a boxing gym by the sounds of it at +37 yrs old.
I disagree with much of what you say. Not all mind you, but much. Styles make fights. I personally believe Bud can outbox Canelo decisively enough to get the points win. It's a 60-40 fight in Camelia favour for me. Fighting all these lesser fighters won't be the best prep for Canelo. There's two arguments for Bud being relatively inactive, one is he might be a bit rusty, I doubt it. Second is he won't be worn down by three training camps and sparring.
Now to your point about fighting Fundora and Murtazaliev. They are winnable for him but it's not guaranteed. I don't believe there's one fighter at 154 who can fight four of the top five and run the table. The more you fight the more you're likely to lose. I think Bud has his struggles against both of those two. Fighters have a built in health meter that wears down the more damage they take. So even if he beats both of them to unify 154 I disagree that he'd be stronger when eventually facing Canelo.
Then there's the business side. If Bud was to fight Fundora 2 days ago and then Mutazaliev in September who would Canelo fight in September? None of these fighters are invincible.
At their respective ages you take the easiest path to the most money and you strike while the iron is hot. Turki is both the path and the iron. Take his money while it's there. Sure, it won't add up to as much as if he also beat Fundora and Murtazaliev but it's more than enough and it's many degrees easier (although not easy)

[SouthpawRight]

1st off, maximum respect for being in a boxing gym by the sounds of it at +37 yrs old.
I disagree with much of what you say. Not all mind you, but much. Styles make fights. I personally believe Bud can outbox Canelo decisively enough to get the points win. It's a 60-40 fight in Camelia favour for me. Fighting all these lesser fighters won't be the best prep for Canelo. There's two arguments for Bud being relatively inactive, one is he might be a bit rusty, I doubt it. Second is he won't be worn down by three training camps and sparring.
Now to your point about fighting Fundora and Murtazaliev. They are winnable for him but it's not guaranteed. I don't believe there's one fighter at 154 who can fight four of the top five and run the table. The more you fight the more you're likely to lose. I think Bud has his struggles against both of those two. Fighters have a built in health meter that wears down the more damage they take. So even if he beats both of them to unify 154 I disagree that he'd be stronger when eventually facing Canelo.
Then there's the business side. If Bud was to fight Fundora 2 days ago and then Mutazaliev in September who would Canelo fight in September? None of these fighters are invincible.
At their respective ages you take the easiest path to the most money and you strike while the iron is hot. Turki is both the path and the iron. Take his money while it's there. Sure, it won't add up to as much as if he also beat Fundora and Murtazaliev but it's more than enough and it's many degrees easier (although not easy)

TBud Alvarez is good because both can beat the other

Amir lol won rounds with his speed and length and was competitive until he got ko’d

Charlo was competitive

Both are far from TBud’s level

But I also remember Madrimov hitting TBud with 3 right hands in a row

[boxingitis]

Crawford is fighting Canelo for MONEY.
Why doesn't he just go to 175 Undisputed and fight Bivol for "Legacy". He could have make legacy by becoming 3 time Undisputed in 3 divisions at 154. He doesn't want to take the risk losing to the young buck for little money.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Impressive
Can you follow on three threads Mr follower ???

deflecting. typical trait from a causal. im still trying to figure why you feel TC need a tune up before nelo.

[MulaKO]

deflecting. typical trait from a causal. im still trying to figure why you feel TC need a tune up before nelo.

Nuthugger

Lmfao

[SouthpawRight]

deflecting. typical trait from a causal. im still trying to figure why you feel TC need a tune up before nelo.

mula the same dumbo who happy with TBud skipping out in a Madrimov rematch

against all fights that could see his crush lose

[SteveM]

we’ll see what kind of speed advantage TBud has at 168 when he’s a buff guy with too much muscle for boxing on his frame

he’s smaller than Alvarez but notably rangier due to his reach advantage and height

Use longer arms to box
Use speed to counter and possibly occasionally exchange
Clinch should Alvarez get into the pocket

It took Alvarez about half of the fight to ko Amir. I believe TBud defense and chin can see him to the final bell

Amir was competitive until he his chin failed him

I believe TBud has the skill and will to keep trying to win instead of going into survival mode like Charlo

Crawford is a lot better boxer than Jermell but they are about similar in the amount of fight they have in them - Charli could be vicious. Comparing Khan to Crawford is redundant. Khan might have the edge in speed but is boxing skills are a fraction of Bud's as seen when they fought.
Canelo is going to need to chase Bud as he could be waiting a long time to get his counter punches in. In any case Bud is sharp enough he can counter the counter.
We don't really have a clear idea how strong Buds chin is but I suspect if he gets caught clean by Canelo he's in la-la land.

[Boxing2695]

IMHO Crawford is going to shock the boxing world, the way Roach did when he faced Tank.

This is a legacy fight for Crawford. He doesn't have much left, but he has enough left to potentially beat Canelo.

Folks wanted to also see him face Ortiz, or Fundora, or Boots. Preparing and getting through these kinds a fights take a lot out of a fighter.

Crawford is saving all that he has left for the biggest fight left for him....in his eyes.

I get it! And I'm not mad at him ....like some fans are.

I feel the same tbh. Because he's 37 been a pro for 17 years and been boxing all together since he was about 8-9 years old so we don't what wear and tear he has on his body and how hard he puts his body through in these camps to be able to perform at the level he does. He knows his body and what it can do and he probably feels like this here against canelo is gonna be the one last big camp he puts himself through. But obviously the weight disparity is the big issue here

[SteveM]

Crawford is fighting Canelo for MONEY.
Why doesn't he just go to 175 Undisputed and fight Bivol for "Legacy". He could have make legacy by becoming 3 time Undisputed in 3 divisions at 154. He doesn't want to take the risk losing to the young buck for little money.

Well, doh! Of course that's what it is - but he's with some chance to beat Canelo and if he does that he's instant ATG - him Floyd and PAC as best fighters of 21st century

[SouthpawRight]

I feel the same tbh. Because he's 37 been a pro for 17 years and been boxing all together since he was about 8-9 years old so we don't what wear and tear he has on his body and how hard he puts his body through in these camps to be able to perform at the level he does. He knows his body and what it can do and he probably feels like this here against canelo is gonna be the one last big camp he puts himself through. But obviously the weight disparity is the big issue here

TBud being a one a year fighter might have prolonged his career

being a one a year fighter worked for Tiger Paw Artur who isn’t as good defensively

T will be 37 for Alvarez

Tiger Paw Artur was 39 for Bivol

I think TBud has less wear & tear than Tiger Paw. He hasn’t been injured in multiple training camps unlike Tiger Paw Artur