Comments Thread For: ?BoMac?: Terence Crawford is fighting Canelo Alvarez for legacy? and then maybe bowing out

[Boxing2695]

Your post encapsulates it all, well nearly. The only thing you left out was the mental side of pushing yourself through a hellish camp - you have to have a reason. Becoming a unified champion at 168 - five weight classes above where you started - and against a hof like Canelo definitely gets you out of bed in the morning during camp.

I mentioned that when I commented on someone else's post on here.. because they said they don't know why bud ain't going after the other champs at 154 and i mentioned the mental side of not being able to get up for them fights compared to a canelo fight. Because he'd be a favourite against them but against canelo he'll be the underdog for the first time in his career and it's a fight that if he did pull of the win it would put in the ATG conversation. But yeah Crawford could retire tomorrow and be fine he's made quite a lot of money he lives a pretty humble life outside of boxing etc so I think this fight with canelo is the only thing keeping him motivated to keep going

[MulaKO]

I mentioned that when I commented on someone else's post on here.. because they said they don't know why bud ain't going after the other champs at 154 and i mentioned the mental side of not being able to get up for them fights compared to a canelo fight. Because he'd be a favourite against them but against canelo he'll be the underdog for the first time in his career and it's a fight that if he did pull of the win it would put in the ATG conversation. But yeah Crawford could retire tomorrow and be fine he's made quite a lot of money he lives a pretty humble life outside of boxing etc so I think this fight with canelo is the only thing keeping him motivated to keep going

Totally agree
This will his swan song

[JeBron Lamez]

Well this is a big money fight, so I can definitely see corruption at work to force a rematch. A lot of money can potentially be made from Canelo VS Crawford 1 (and 2).

Ooooooh, good call actually. Hope not but yeah good call indeed.

[SteveM]

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Because if Crawford loses to any of the guys at 154, the big money fight with Canelo is kaput. But get this, if Scull somehow beats Canelo, the Canelo vs Bud fight may still happen.

Canelo is not losing to Scull unless he is KO'd and there's a 1% chance of that.

[MulaKO]

Canelo is not losing to Scull unless he is KO'd and there's a 1% chance of that.

Hence why Scull is at +$3000 lol

[SteveM]

I understand what you're saying. I really do. But you really trying to tell me he couldn't have smashed Fundora two days ago, and then fought Canelo in September? He had an ordered shot that would have given him the belt by email if Fundora ducked, and that's the easiest pair of belts to pick up right now in the division IMO.

So let's talk inactivity. Bud isn't historically active, although since he's also not been plagued by injury, it's frankly bizarre he wasn't fighting twice a year while he was getting frozen out by the PBC bozos. He'd easily have eclipsed Floyd's record (granted, against lesser competition, but the casuals would have eaten that up). I don't know why he re-signed with Top Rank, nor why they failed so badly at delivering him fights and hype, since IMO he's not a boring fighter to watch given his skills, power, and meanness when it comes time to get the finish. So that's a lot of strong points in his favor in terms of not getting too rusty. And you make an excellent point that Canelo hasn't been fighting anyone that will prepare him for a P4P fighter in Bud, aside from the point that he fought Jermell Charlo, who was undisputed at 154, and sat at #9 on the P4P lists prior to their fight... People didn't give him credit for that win, just as they won't give him credit after the fact for beating Crawford, but that was a guy who actually DID make undisputed at 154, and is bigger and stronger than Bud.

I've done a tactical breakdown before, but we have a good amount of evidence for what it takes to beat Canelo, what with Mayweather and Bivol. Or GGG 1. Crawford isn't going to be able to fight like Golovkin, so we can dispense with that. And we know exactly how Canelo fights. He'll be coming forward, and he's going to be targeting Crawford's arms and body to break him down. So you need two key things to beat him. Fast enough feet to stay out of his range, and volume (and the skills to apply that volume without getting countered). The volume point is a sticky one. The guys who beat him all threw over 42 punches a round, on average, with high accuracy. Mayweather threw 505 punches across 12, landing at a 46% rate, against a greener Canelo. Bivol, 710, while holding Canelo to landing at only 17.4%. and remember that despite outlanding Canelo in literally every round, often by wide margins, he barely won on the cards.

Crawford is an economical puncher, and I don't think he's thrown that kind of volume except in fights like the Avanesyan fight, in which he hugely outclassed and outgunned his opponent, and if he's ever done it for 12 rounds, it's been years. I'm not convinced he CAN throw that kind of volume, let alone with Canelo firepower coming at him, and let alone going up effectively 3 divisions in weight.

The next issue is that I really doubt he knows what it feels like to carry that much extra weight in a fight. I've never met a boxer who really did understand that, because they either are consummate gym **** who are never far from fighting weight, or they think it's going to just be an easier weight cut. Since my competition days are behind me and I've transitioned more to coaching, and have had to deal with weight gain thanks to adding to my family, I will tell you that the extra weight makes a noticeable difference. It saps the gas tank by a large margin, and takes months to really acclimate to, without even really getting to train the other skills. If I were in Bud's corner, I would be moving camp to high altitude just to get him ready in time for September, and I'd have done that months ago. It also slows you down, both offensively and defensively. Moves are harder to make, there's more stress on your joints, etc. It's not a huge amount, but fractions of a second add up in boxing. They are the difference between avoiding a punch, or not, or gassing before the distance or not. I've managed to keep myself in shape to do 24 rounds straight vs kids who are often at least 20 years younger than me, so that's not just a couch potato take. I really hope he's taking that weight gain seriously, or he'll end up just like Charlo.

But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he comes in the best shape of his life, ready to keep the feet moving and throw a career high number of punches to keep Canelo off him. That will allow him to be in a good, competitive fight, and maybe even outland Canelo with good shots. He's not going to drop or stop Canelo. If Golovkin couldn't, Bud sure can't. But let's say he overcomes everything I've said and does manage to be in that fight with Canelo, even getting the better of him. Unless he's winning in wide margins, Canelo will almost certainly still get the benefit of the doubt on the cards. So Bud has to be close to career best at 37, against the bigger, stronger, younger man with arguably the best chin in boxing, and be perfect for 12 rounds, AND he has to beat him widely enough that the judges can't give it to Canelo anyways. That's not a 60-40 fight to my eyes.

Don't get me wrong. I'll be rooting for Bud to pull it off. But boy is that a tall ask.

Thanks for the input. The personal info is welcome! I read somewhere that Crawford plans to weigh in at about 160.

[Oregonian]

Canelo is not losing to Scull unless he is KO'd and there's a 1% chance of that.

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I know that.
The point I was making is Canelo will fight Bud win or lose but that’s not the case with Bud if Budcwas to fight Ortiz and lose. That’s why Bud is not taking any risks

[Oregonian]

Well this is a big money fight, so I can definitely see corruption at work to force a rematch. A lot of money can potentially be made from Canelo VS Crawford 1 (and 2).

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Turki is a billionaire. He is not taking over boxing so he can make a “profit”. Saudi League is the highest paying league on the planet, they are not making a profit at all. Look up how much Ronaldo and Benzema are making in the twilight of their careers.

Canelo and Bud are getting paid money irrespective of PPV or gate numbers. Turki could pay both of them $100 million each to fight in his backyard.
The same was the case for the Usyk vs Fury fight. Based on how much they were both paid, we should assume they sold 3 million PPV at the bare minimum, no? They lost money.

So corruption or not, a rematch can happen if Turki wishes to see it AND to pay for it.

[Oregonian]

Preach. The Saudis make enough in passive income in 2 HOURS to buy Top Rank or PBC outright. It's wild to me why people get all fussed about how they can't be making money.

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It’s the most idiotic statements or arguments to make. lol .. I’m just glad the favs are getting the fights they want

[JakeTheBoxer]

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When will ignorant fans realize that Turki is a billionaire and his goal is not to make a profit.
The Saudi soccer league is the highest paying league in the world. Ronaldo is making $200 million a year and his team is certainly not making a profit.

So, no Turki is not a sucker for “money grab fights”.

The Undisputed Heavyweight Fight between Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk reportedly lost over $1 billion in revenue. Not a big deal for Saudi Arabia

This. Cristiano Ronaldo at 40 years old is still the highest paid soccer player in the world and he plays in Saudi league.

Saudis`s don`t care about profit.