Comments Thread For: WBO orders full heavyweight titlist Oleksandr Usyk to face interim Joseph Parker

[kafkod]

Klitschko won it vs Chagaev in the 00's, it was a big thing at the time.

It wasn't. I remember that fight happening and I never heard a word about it being a lineal title fight till years later.

But here's the thing ... neither Wlad nor Chagaev entered the ring as lineal champ and neither of them were ever undisputed champ. So who decided it was going to be a lineal title fight, and who gave them the authority to make that decision?

[NihonJim]

It wasn't. I remember that fight happening and I never heard a word about it being a lineal title fight till years later.

But here's the thing ... neither Wlad nor Chagaev entered the ring as lineal champ and neither of them were ever undisputed champ. So who decided it was going to be a lineal title fight, and who gave them the authority to make that decision?

I was on this very site at the time and people were arguing it shouldn't have been for the ******* title because of Vitali being around.

I'm not sure why it triggers people so much anyway, it's a made up title, some people say there should never again be another lineal title as once the lineage was broken when Lennox lewis retired that should have been the end of the concept.

[kafkod]

I was on this very site at the time and people were arguing it shouldn't have been for the ******* title because of Vitali being around.

I'm not sure why it triggers people so much anyway, it's a made up title, some people say there should never again be another lineal title as once the lineage was broken when Lennox lewis retired that should have been the end of the concept.

I followed the build up to Wlad vs Chagaev in the UK press and Sky sports. I watched it using an awesome (illegal) TV box that could pick up every televised sports event in the world, for free. None of the coverage I saw or read said anything about it being a lineal title fight. I didn't get into this site till 2013, and it was only then that I discovered that Wlad, according to some people, had become the lineal champ by beating Chagaev. It didn't make any sense to me back then and it still doesn't.

You are absolutely correct about it being a made up title, and it occasionally triggers me because of the nonsense some guys at this forum spout about it.

[kafkod]

I am right on this one, check this out.

Alex Kyrassus confirms Oleksandr Uysk voluntary decided to vacated the IBF World Heavyweight title.

https://rtfight.com/news/usyks-promoter-confirms-ibf-title-vacancy

Like I have stated early on in this thread? There has never been any evidence, which suggest Oleksandr Uysk was prohibited in having an interim fight before his rematch vs Tyson Fury on December 21st 2024. At this point in time, Tyson Fury was now the former WBC World Heavyweight Champion. Fury has no legal or political power to stop Uysk from making a mandatory IBF title defense.

The IBF is a World Boxing organisation which was founded in 1983 'Surely they would be aware of what was happening in the boxing World in 2024. They would have known that Oleksandr Uysk had just beaten Tyson Fury, and that both fighters had a rematch clause in their contract'.

It makes zero sense for then the IBF to mandate Oleksandr Uysk to defend his IBF titles 'While the entire World both within the boxing community and beyond, are very aware that Tyson Fury had a rematch clause. I highly doubt a World boxing organisation is going to make mandates that are legally extremely difficult to achieve'.

The facts are? Oleksandr Uysk could have done more to hold onto his IBF World titles 'If he was to hypothetically fight his mandatory defense, what was Tyson Fury and his team going to do? Stripped him of his titles? No. Fine him? No, Oleksandr Uysk is just adhering the rules of the sport as the IBF World Champion'.

Note: The real reason why Oleksandr Uysk never fought his mandatory IBF defense 'Was because the timing of the defense, was a unconvinced for him. The situation was made even worst due to Tyson Fury's continued postpones of their first fight, ultimately? That is one of the major factors that had a domino effect and lead to Oleksandr Uysk vacating his IBF World titles. It was in my opinion, a tactically move were Uysk? Believe that he needed to put alll of his focus on his rematch with Tyson Fury on December 21st 2024'.

We already know that Oleksandr Uysk 1000% voluntary vacated his IBF Titles 'The disagreement which people are having is why? Some people seem to think Tyson Fury at that stage of his career, had a big enough influence on the game. That he would stop a World Champion from defending is World titles, Fury was now a contender who in reality had just lost his last two fights to Francis Ngannou and Oleksandr Uysk'.

To conclude: I am not going to move from my point on view on this, because 'There is just too much evidence out there, proving that Oleksandr Uysk voluntary vacated his IBF titles because he did not want to adhere to their rules. The IBF Organisation gave him a straight forward order, and told Uysk to make his mandatory defense. Oleksandr Usyk tactically chose to vacated the IBF titles, to specifically use the 7 month period between the first Fury vs Uysk I fight and the rematch to focus on fighting Tyson Fury'.

It is now 2025, and the WBO World Boxing organisation has just order Oleksandr Uysk to fight Joseph Parker 'Is Uysk going to defend his World titles, or vacate them again?'.

It was not impossible for Oleksandr Uysk to defend his IBF titles 'He definitively could have done more to hold onto his titles. This is what people seem not to want to accept, instead? You are all buying into this time line of events, were Tyson Fury had this mass effect influence on the boxing game. If Fury said jump, then everyone jumps. But in reality that is not how it was, Tyson Fury had just lost is last two fights vs Francis Ngannou and Oleksandr Uysk I. Oleksandr Uysk was the Undisputed Champion, the ball was truly on his side of the court'.

Oleksandr Uysk's next fight should be against Joseph Parker 'If Uysk does not fight Parker, and decides to avoid this mandatory defense. Then all those actions prove are his conduct as Champion. Vacating titles, and avoiding mandatory defenses at Heavyweight'.

Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, and Deontay Wilder 'In combination cleared out the Heavyweight Division over the past decade, I still regard them as the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era. Oleksandr Uysk appeared in the latter parts of their Heavyweight reigns, and to his credit beat the two premier Heavyweight Champions of this era Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua.

Uysk is a great fighter the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing 'But I have never referred to him as a Heavyweight Mountain. That title is only bestow upon Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder'.

The timing of Oleksandr Uysk invasion of the Heavyweight Division, was optimal for him 'Because the division had already been cleared out. If Uysk would of entered into the Heavyweight division early in his career, I believe he would of had a difficult surviving in such a division' etc.

People in the sport of boxing, need to stop with this attitude 'Oleksandr Uysk has got nothing to prove in the game. If Uysk is a World Champion, then he has something to prove' etc.


famicommander

Fight contracts are legally binding. If Usyk signed a contract with an immediate rematch clause the only way he could have gotten out of it without being sued was by officially retiring. And I remember an interview with Alex Krassyuk saying Usyk had given Fury his word on the rematch and there was no way he would go back on it.

[Willow The Wisp]

I was on this very site at the time and people were arguing it shouldn't have been for the ******* title because of Vitali being around.

I'm not sure why it triggers people so much anyway, it's a made up title, some people say there should never again be another lineal title as once the lineage was broken when Lennox lewis retired that should have been the end of the concept.

Fans are welcome to feel any way they want to.

Historians, however, seek out the history.
For the Alpha division at least, there was no longstanding confusion about the lineal heavyweight title being the only one that matters.

The endless cycle of stripping alphabet "titles" and the bestowing of "titles" should be the tip off for fans struggling to understand the history.

It's not complicated beyond the occasional troller.

[Willow The Wisp]

How did Wlad Klitschko become the lineal champion?

Who came before Wlad in this "unbroken line" I keep hearing about from guys like you?

Who was "The Man" that Wlad beat, in the ring, to become the lineal champ?

Is it better to empower sanctioning bodies, or greedy fighters and promoters trying to sell crap like Tyson Fury vs Pianeta, Seferi, Schwarz and Wallin as world title fights?

The Modern Lineal championship is dictated by what transpired in the ring, and includes just three occasions when the champion retired and never came back; those being Tunney, Marciano and Lennox Lewis.
Repairing the line was done each time to the satisfaction of the collective industry, not by any organization's rules (which themselves are pretty nebulous), but by the industry coming together to apply:

prec·e·dent
noun

/ˈpresədnt/

• an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.

This thread topic isn't especially important, but the topic regarding the history of the sport and one of it's most basic principles is; so I'll throw up a new thread to continue this; so that we can discuss our views further.

[kafkod]

The Modern Lineal championship is dictated by what transpired in the ring, and includes just three occasions when the champion retired and never came back; those being Tunney, Marciano and Lennox Lewis.
Repairing the line was done each time to the satisfaction of the collective industry, not by any organization's rules (which themselves are pretty nebulous), but by the industry coming together to apply:

prec·e·dent
noun

/ˈpresədnt/

• an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.

This thread topic isn't especially important, but the topic regarding the history of the sport and one of it's most basic principles is; so I'll throw up a new thread to continue this; so that we can discuss our views further.

Do you know who awarded the imaginary lineal title to Wlad? If so, name them here

"The collective industry" is not an answer to that question. That term is so vague it's basically meaningless.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I am right on this one, check this out.

Alex Kyrassus confirms Oleksandr Uysk voluntary decided to vacated the IBF World Heavyweight title.

https://rtfight.com/news/usyks-promoter-confirms-ibf-title-vacancy

WTF man. You need to read the articles. He was LEGALLY REQUIRED to fulfill his contractual obligation to Fury for the rematch, not to mention being an honorable man who had given his word he'd rematch Fury, who, like it or not, was still the clear #2 in the division, especially above a chump like Dubois who he'd already stopped, while winning every second that he wasn't getting punched low.

After Fury activated the rematch clause, his ONLY recourse when it comes to the IBF was to request an exception, WHICH HE DID. They said no, because they're a bunch of hypocritical tools who have more interest in stripping deserving undisputed champions than in having rankings that don't blow giant chunks.

Rather than get stripped after the petition was denied, Usyk decided to just vacate the belt, because it was that, or violate his contract and his word and get sued. Did you just read the headline and nothing else?

The fact that you don't understand this, and the nature of a legal contract, says clearly that you have an agenda here to hate on the champ. And considering that Usyk has had to win every title on the road as an underdog while being doubted by "fans" like you, he has d*** well earned his stripes.

[BustedKnuckles]

Usyk/Parker, Dubois/Kabayel on the same card.

winners meet.

Nuff said. Everybody else has been weeded out.

[hugh grant]

Usyk v parker
DDD v Ajit Kabayel