Comments Thread For: WBO orders full heavyweight titlist Oleksandr Usyk to face interim Joseph Parker

[PRINCEKOOL]

You need to stop talking about facts and then inserting your supposition.

Rematch clauses do not permit fights in the interim unless the holder signs off on it, because if the opponent takes a fight and loses it, it devalues the rematch. That's quadruply true when you're talking about a rematch for an undisputed title fight.

Fury had an IMMEDIATE rematch clause. No fights to be taken in the interim. I personally think rematch clauses are asin1ne, and only worthwhile when there's major controversy. But they are legally binding. Both fighters went into that first fight knowing Usyk would be stripped of the IBF belt if Usyk won and Fury activated his rematch, as indeed happened.

And let's be real. Why on earth would it be better to take a huge contractual penalty to take a rematch vs Dubois, who he'd already beaten comprehensively and stopped despite being repeatedly fouled, rather than abide by the contract and rematch the guy who was still #2 in the division and had just held him to a close fight?

I usually respect your thoughts, but you are massively off base on this. Take a look at a fight contract with a rematch clause sometime if you can and educate yourself on how they work. If you want to blame someone, blame the IBF for letting a guy who just lost to the champ back into a mandatory position.

There was nothing in the rematch clause contract, that has been released to the boxing media 'That has ever suggested Oleksandr Uysk, could not have an interim fight before the rematch against Tyson Fury on December 21 est 2024'.

So, to be honest? I think you are inserting your supposition 'And it is a point, that I have seen other people make in defense of Oleksandr Usyk voluntary vacating his IBF titles'.

Note: There was a 7 month period between May 18th and December 21st 2024 'This was definitively enough time, for Oleksandr Uysk to make a mandatory defense of his IBF titles. At no point, has there EVER been any investigative journalist which has shown? The rematch clause vs Tyson Fury, prohibited OIeksandr Uysk from making a mandatory defence of his IBF Titles'.

If you can find a creditable article or interview stating that Oleksandr Uysk was denied the opportunity to defend his IBF titles 'Then your suppositions will be proven as a fact. But in reality? Oleksandr Uysk voluntary vacated his IBF titles, because he did not want to adhere to the mandatory requirements of that organisation. 7 months is a big chunk of time in the world of sports, it would not have been 100% convenient for Uysk but? He definitively in my opinion could have done more to hold onto his IBF World titles'.

People are going easy on Oleksandr Uysk 'Lets all get this right. The IBF did not strip him of his titles, Oleksandr Uysk decided upon himself to do exactly the same thing Rid**** Bowe did all the way back in the 90's with the WBC World Heavyweight titles. Uysk voluntary vacated his titles, because he did not want to defend his IBF titles'.

That is why I have always been adamant 'The victor of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois, would be without a shadow of a doubt. The IBF World Heavyweight Champion on complete merit. Dubois was facing off against a fighter in Joshua, who as a Champion? Had never vacated or avoided any mandatory defenses of his World titles. And Daniel Dubois himself as a fighter and contender, had done everything required to fight for a World title'.

To conclude: If the IBF Organisation decided to keep Oleksandr Uysk as their IBF World Heavyweight Champion 'This would have brought their organisation into disrepute. Overall they made 1000% the right decision to accept Uysk's decision to voluntary vacate the IBF World Heavyweight titles'.

I also must make this point? This situation occurred and was made worst for Oleksandr Uysk 'Because of Tyson Fury's constant postponements of their first Undisputed Heavyweight contest. Without such a dramatic episode, I personally think? Oleksandr Uysk may have made a mandatory defense of his IBF World Heavyweight titles'.

But regardless, as a Champion 'I think a fighter must be read to defend their titles. The standards of a Champion have already been set a long time ago in past eras'. Oleksandr Uysk if he has been mandated to fight Joseph Parker, then he must defend his WBO titles next against Parker' etc.

[crimsonfalcon07]

There was nothing in the rematch clause contract, that has been released to the boxing media 'That has ever suggested Oleksandr Uysk, could not have an interim fight before the rematch against Tyson Fury on December 21 est 2024'.

When have you ever even heard of a rematch clause that allowed an interim fight? That defeats the entire point of a rematch clause in the first place. Can you name even one that wasn't an immediate rematch within a specific period of time? These are generally boilerplate, and I've never seen heard of one that wasn't for an immediate rematch.

Why do you think rematch clauses exist? Come on now.

The rematch clause, like EVERY rematch clause, was for an immediate rematch, without intervening bouts. That was reported by Mike Coppinger for ESPN. Usyk petitioned the IBF to allow him to keep the title for the rematch he was legally required to fulfill, but got denied by the IBF. They allowed an exception for Opetaia to face Massey, but not Usyk to face Fury.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trentre...n-the-rematch/

Don't know why you're so set on your narrative to blame Usyk for other people's decisions. Now it's your turn. Find ANY rematch clause that permitted an interim fight without the other side agreeing to step-aside. See if you can find even one.

[IronDanHamza]

There was nothing in the rematch clause contract, that has been released to the boxing media 'That has ever suggested Oleksandr Uysk, could not have an interim fight before the rematch against Tyson Fury on December 21 est 2024'.

So, to be honest? I think you are inserting your supposition 'And it is a point, that I have seen other people make in defense of Oleksandr Usyk voluntary vacating his IBF titles'.

Note: There was a 7 month period between May 18th and December 21st 2024 'This was definitively enough time, for Oleksandr Uysk to make a mandatory defense of his IBF titles. At no point, has there EVER been any investigative journalist which has shown? The rematch clause vs Tyson Fury, prohibited OIeksandr Uysk from making a mandatory defence of his IBF Titles'.

If you can find a creditable article or interview stating that Oleksandr Uysk was denied the opportunity to defend his IBF titles 'Then your suppositions will be proven as a fact. But in reality? Oleksandr Uysk voluntary vacated his IBF titles, because he did not want to adhere to the mandatory requirements of that organisation. 7 months is a big chunk of time in the world of sports, it would not have been 100% convenient for Uysk but? He definitively in my opinion could have done more to hold onto his IBF World titles'.

People are going easy on Oleksandr Uysk 'Lets all get this right. The IBF did not strip him of his titles, Oleksandr Uysk decided upon himself to do exactly the same thing Rid**** Bowe did all the way back in the 90's with the WBC World Heavyweight titles. Uysk voluntary vacated his titles, because he did not want to defend his IBF titles'.

That is why I have always been adamant 'The victor of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois, would be without a shadow of a doubt. The IBF World Heavyweight Champion on complete merit. Dubois was facing off against a fighter in Joshua, who as a Champion? Had never vacated or avoided any mandatory defenses of his World titles. And Daniel Dubois himself as a fighter and contender, had done everything required to fight for a World title'.

To conclude: If the IBF Organisation decided to keep Oleksandr Uysk as their IBF World Heavyweight Champion 'This would have brought their organisation into disrepute. Overall they made 1000% the right decision to accept Uysk's decision to voluntary vacate the IBF World Heavyweight titles'.

I also must make this point? This situation occurred and was made worst for Oleksandr Uysk 'Because of Tyson Fury's constant postponements of their first Undisputed Heavyweight contest. Without such a dramatic episode, I personally think? Oleksandr Uysk may have made a mandatory defense of his IBF World Heavyweight titles'.

But regardless, as a Champion 'I think a fighter must be read to defend their titles. The standards of a Champion have already been set a long time ago in past eras'. Oleksandr Uysk if he has been mandated to fight Joseph Parker, then he must defend his WBO titles next against Parker' etc.

You can't have an interim fight if there's a rematch clause in the contract you dumb fuck. You are obliged to rematch that opponent in your next fight unless you're given an exception, which he asked for but as denied, thus he had no choice but to be stripped of his IBF title.

Nothing like to the Rid**** Bowe situation whereby the vacated his WBC Title.

And stop putting random quotation marks on random sentences for no reason it makes you look dumber than you already are.

[famicommander]

That is why I have always been adamant 'The victor of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois, would be without a shadow of a doubt. The IBF World Heavyweight Champion on complete merit. Dubois was facing off against a fighter in Joshua, who as a Champion? Had never vacated or avoided any mandatory defenses of his World titles. And Daniel Dubois himself as a fighter and contender, had done everything required to fight for a World title'.

To conclude: If the IBF Organisation decided to keep Oleksandr Uysk as their IBF World Heavyweight Champion 'This would have brought their organisation into disrepute. Overall they made 1000% the right decision to accept Uysk's decision to voluntary vacate the IBF World Heavyweight titles'.

This is absolute nonsense.

Dubois got knocked out by Usyk on a jab, and he got into mandatory position by beating Hrgovic, who only got there by a robbery win over Zhang in the first place.

Meanwhile, Joshua lost not once but twice by 12 round decision to Usyk.

You cannot possibly be arguing that a fight between a guy Usyk beat twice and a guy Usyk knocked out on a jab determines a legitimate champion while Usyk is still undefeated and actively fighting.

[PRINCEKOOL]

When have you ever even heard of a rematch clause that allowed an interim fight? That defeats the entire point of a rematch clause in the first place. Can you name even one that wasn't an immediate rematch within a specific period of time? These are generally boilerplate, and I've never seen heard of one that wasn't for an immediate rematch.

Why do you think rematch clauses exist? Come on now.

The rematch clause, like EVERY rematch clause, was for an immediate rematch, without intervening bouts. That was reported by Mike Coppinger for ESPN. Usyk petitioned the IBF to allow him to keep the title for the rematch he was legally required to fulfill, but got denied by the IBF. They allowed an exception for Opetaia to face Massey, but not Usyk to face Fury.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trentre...n-the-rematch/

Don't know why you're so set on your narrative to blame Usyk for other people's decisions. Now it's your turn. Find ANY rematch clause that permitted an interim fight without the other side agreeing to step-aside. See if you can find even one.

I am right on this one, check this out.

Alex Kyrassus confirms Oleksandr Uysk voluntary decided to vacated the IBF World Heavyweight title.

https://rtfight.com/news/usyks-promoter-confirms-ibf-title-vacancy

Like I have stated early on in this thread? There has never been any evidence, which suggest Oleksandr Uysk was prohibited in having an interim fight before his rematch vs Tyson Fury on December 21st 2024. At this point in time, Tyson Fury was now the former WBC World Heavyweight Champion. Fury has no legal or political power to stop Uysk from making a mandatory IBF title defense.

The IBF is a World Boxing organisation which was founded in 1983 'Surely they would be aware of what was happening in the boxing World in 2024. They would have known that Oleksandr Uysk had just beaten Tyson Fury, and that both fighters had a rematch clause in their contract'.

It makes zero sense for then the IBF to mandate Oleksandr Uysk to defend his IBF titles 'While the entire World both within the boxing community and beyond, are very aware that Tyson Fury had a rematch clause. I highly doubt a World boxing organisation is going to make mandates that are legally extremely difficult to achieve'.

The facts are? Oleksandr Uysk could have done more to hold onto his IBF World titles 'If he was to hypothetically fight his mandatory defense, what was Tyson Fury and his team going to do? Stripped him of his titles? No. Fine him? No, Oleksandr Uysk is just adhering the rules of the sport as the IBF World Champion'.

Note: The real reason why Oleksandr Uysk never fought his mandatory IBF defense 'Was because the timing of the defense, was a unconvinced for him. The situation was made even worst due to Tyson Fury's continued postpones of their first fight, ultimately? That is one of the major factors that had a domino effect and lead to Oleksandr Uysk vacating his IBF World titles. It was in my opinion, a tactically move were Uysk? Believe that he needed to put alll of his focus on his rematch with Tyson Fury on December 21st 2024'.

We already know that Oleksandr Uysk 1000% voluntary vacated his IBF Titles 'The disagreement which people are having is why? Some people seem to think Tyson Fury at that stage of his career, had a big enough influence on the game. That he would stop a World Champion from defending is World titles, Fury was now a contender who in reality had just lost his last two fights to Francis Ngannou and Oleksandr Uysk'.

To conclude: I am not going to move from my point on view on this, because 'There is just too much evidence out there, proving that Oleksandr Uysk voluntary vacated his IBF titles because he did not want to adhere to their rules. The IBF Organisation gave him a straight forward order, and told Uysk to make his mandatory defense. Oleksandr Usyk tactically chose to vacated the IBF titles, to specifically use the 7 month period between the first Fury vs Uysk I fight and the rematch to focus on fighting Tyson Fury'.

It is now 2025, and the WBO World Boxing organisation has just order Oleksandr Uysk to fight Joseph Parker 'Is Uysk going to defend his World titles, or vacate them again?'.

It was not impossible for Oleksandr Uysk to defend his IBF titles 'He definitively could have done more to hold onto his titles. This is what people seem not to want to accept, instead? You are all buying into this time line of events, were Tyson Fury had this mass effect influence on the boxing game. If Fury said jump, then everyone jumps. But in reality that is not how it was, Tyson Fury had just lost is last two fights vs Francis Ngannou and Oleksandr Uysk I. Oleksandr Uysk was the Undisputed Champion, the ball was truly on his side of the court'.

Oleksandr Uysk's next fight should be against Joseph Parker 'If Uysk does not fight Parker, and decides to avoid this mandatory defense. Then all those actions prove are his conduct as Champion. Vacating titles, and avoiding mandatory defenses at Heavyweight'.

Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, and Deontay Wilder 'In combination cleared out the Heavyweight Division over the past decade, I still regard them as the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era. Oleksandr Uysk appeared in the latter parts of their Heavyweight reigns, and to his credit beat the two premier Heavyweight Champions of this era Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua.

Uysk is a great fighter the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing 'But I have never referred to him as a Heavyweight Mountain. That title is only bestow upon Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder'.

The timing of Oleksandr Uysk invasion of the Heavyweight Division, was optimal for him 'Because the division had already been cleared out. If Uysk would of entered into the Heavyweight division early in his career, I believe he would of had a difficult surviving in such a division' etc.

People in the sport of boxing, need to stop with this attitude 'Oleksandr Uysk has got nothing to prove in the game. If Uysk is a World Champion, then he has something to prove' etc.


famicommander

[Dr Z]

Dubois sick?

Some things were su****ious even at the time. Usyk was in the audience and announced that he would be fighting Dubois next, and that was problematic. Also, Frank Warren quickly mentioned something about how he had to wanted DDD to pull out because he was concerned that the medicine he was taking might cause him to fail a test...sure Frank.

I must admit, it has only gotten more su****ious. For one thing, it has become apparent that team Dubois have no intention of giving Parker his shot. It's now almost done that Dubois and Usyk will fight.

Very strangely, for whatever reason, Dubois has been nowhere to be found.

I now think any one of four things, or even some combo could be true:

1) He was legit sick and it was just very bad timing.
2) He knew that the Usyk fight was at hand and he did not want it jeopardized.
3) Cold feet. Parker just too much man for him.
4) Pissing hot. He failed some internal PEDs testing.

I think it a combo of #2 and #4?

Of couse Parker colud have demanded a referee to enforce Dubois head buts and low blows. That would be choice #5.

[kafkod]

Good luck juggling 5 silos of mandatory challengers without hitting the STRIP button.
At least at Heavyweight, there is an iron-clad, universally acknowledged, 140 year old Lineal title under the modern rules. The rest of the sport has to rely on Los Banditos for title clarity.
The Lineal Heavyweight champion is all that has ever mattered because it's settled in the ring.

Today, an "undisputed champion" (who's really "dis*****g" that Usyk beat Fury and Fury beat Klitschko, anyway?), can plan on being the holder of all the belts for a very short time (Usyk lasted just 39 days before voluntarily jettisoning the IBF strap, seeing the strip coming).

Sanctioning bodies make more when titles are not unified.

So today, the top (soon to become mandatory) challengers are:

WBC
1. Agit Kabayel (Interim champion)
2. Lawrence Okolie
3. Anthony Joshua

WBA
1. Kubrat Pulev (Regular champion)
2. Fabio Wardley
3. Michael Hunter

IBF
1. Derek Chisora
2. Efe Ajagba
3. Frank Sanchez

WBO
1. Joseph Parker (Interim champion)
2. Justice Huni
3. Moses Itauma

IBO
1. Granit Shala
2. Joseph Parker
3. Tyson Fury


......Good luck walking all those obligations down before the deadlines hit.

So who did Klitschko win this imaginary lineal title from?

I liked what Usyk and his promoter, Krassytuk, said when they were asked about Usyk being the lineal champion:

Usyk: "I don't know what that is"

Krassyuk: "It was Tyson Fury's bullshit"

[Willow The Wisp]

So who did Klitschko win this imaginary lineal title from?

I liked what Usyk and his promoter, Krassytuk, said when they were asked about Usyk being the lineal champion:

Usyk: "I don't know what that is"

Krassyuk: "It was Tyson Fury's bullshit"

Doesn't everyone who's followed boxing for more than a dozen years know how Wladamir Klitschko became the lineal champion?
Why call something so well documented "Imaginary"?
Why credit Alex Krassyuk for being a boxing historian, when he's not?

Don't troll with an absurd proposal like empowering the Sanctioning Bodies. Their days appear to be numbered anyhow...and what happens to the legitimacy of their belts then?

[NihonJim]

So who did Klitschko win this imaginary lineal title from?

I liked what Usyk and his promoter, Krassytuk, said when they were asked about Usyk being the lineal champion:

Usyk: "I don't know what that is"

Krassyuk: "It was Tyson Fury's bullshit"

Klitschko won it vs Chagaev in the 00's, it was a big thing at the time.

[kafkod]

Doesn't everyone who's followed boxing for more than a dozen years know how Wladamir Klitschko became the lineal champion?
Why call something so well documented "Imaginary"?
Why credit Alex Krassyuk for being a boxing historian, when he's not?

Don't troll with an absurd proposal like empowering the Sanctioning Bodies. Their days appear to be numbered anyhow...and what happens to the legitimacy of their belts then?

How did Wlad Klitschko become the lineal champion?

Who came before Wlad in this "unbroken line" I keep hearing about from guys like you?

Who was "The Man" that Wlad beat, in the ring, to become the lineal champ?

Is it better to empower sanctioning bodies, or greedy fighters and promoters trying to sell crap like Tyson Fury vs Pianeta, Seferi, Schwarz and Wallin as world title fights?