Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Falls Below Anthony Joshua In Rankings Following Loss To Oleksandr Usyk

[Boro]

I want to watch Fury get beat up and properly sparked this time so that all of these Fury excuse makers will stop pretending this guy was ever anything close to an ATG.

Well only crackheads consider anyone in this era anything close to an ATG the only one you could even be in that argument is Usyk and even that's questionable.

Wilder is the only guy in this era with a historically significant reign and we all know it's was a fluff reign.

[diarraisagod]

Well only crackheads consider anyone in this era anything close to an ATG the only one you could even be in that argument is Usyk and even that's questionable.

Wilder is the only guy in this era with a historically significant reign and we all know it's was a fluff reign.

Crikey, you have a real high bar for ATG if Usyk only just gets in. Olympic gold medalist. He's beaten literally everybody relevant as a pro, inside 22 fights, gone undefeated doing so and most of it has been as the away fighter. Like, who could he even fight that would enhance his resume further? Joe Parker at a stretch. That's more like a routine defence though and there will always be one of those waiting whenever he hangs them up.

[Boro]

Crikey, you have a real high bar for ATG if Usyk only just gets in. He's beaten literally everybody relevant, inside 22 fights, gone undefeated doing so and most of it has been as the away fighter. Like, who could he even fight that would enhance his resume further? Joe Parker at a stretch. That's more like a routine defence though and there will always be one of those waiting whenever he hangs them up.

All time great, is very different from being the best of a mediocre era...

He ran a decent gauntlet at crusierweight arguably better than Holyfields but his accomplishments and # of defences at heavyweight leave a lot to be desired.

Lets be honest for a lot of people Wlad doesn't even make their top 10 heavyweights and in one of his reigns he had 18 defences and a 9 year reign the bar is high, it's not me setting the bar...

[diarraisagod]

All time great, is very different from being the best of a mediocre era...

He ran a decent gauntlet at crusierweight arguably better than Holyfields but his accomplishments and # of defences at heavyweight leave a lot to be desired.

Lets be honest for a lot of people Wlad doesn't even make their top 10 heavyweights and in one of his reigns he had 18 defences and a 9 year reign the bar is high, it's not me setting the bar...

Yeah, I get you. It's one of those what do you look for...

I'm not one of those that feel that way about Wlad for what it's worth. He sat unquestionably at top of the division for a long time. Fighters can only beat who's in front of them and a lack of rivals shouldn't prohibit them from ATG conversations.

I think there's an element of popularity that comes in to it too. Americans or American based fighters have to do a lot less to get into those conversations.

Wilder for example in my opinion was massively overrated. It took him an absurd number of fights to fight for the title. Then fought a who's who of fringe contenders in defence. Even Fury looked like a cherry pick at the time due to what he had been through. So, his lengthy title reign doesn't impress me. Quality over quantity every time.

[MulaKO]

The world colliding around the fraud named Fury
Lmfao
Couldn’t happen to a better man lol

[hugh grant]

Makes ZERO sense.

Fury arguably won the fight, and lost via razor-thin decision, while AJ got his ass beat twice by Usyk & Andy Ruiz.

But fury barely beat francis. I'm sure furys been penalised for that

[Willow The Wisp]

What makes zero sense is you believing that Fury arguably won that fight. Fury won no more than three rounds. If you believe differently, please state the rounds that you believe he won outside of rounds 4-6.
This was not a close fight. Not even sort of close. Fury got outboxed for nine rounds and got beat around the ring nearly KO’d before being saved by the referee. AJ was merely outboxed twice.

It was a split decision.

[billeau2]

Crikey, you have a real high bar for ATG if Usyk only just gets in. Olympic gold medalist. He's beaten literally everybody relevant as a pro, inside 22 fights, gone undefeated doing so and most of it has been as the away fighter. Like, who could he even fight that would enhance his resume further? Joe Parker at a stretch. That's more like a routine defence though and there will always be one of those waiting whenever he hangs them up.

ATG is precisely a high bar... a very high bar, otherwise its meaning is diminished. We have the HOF for "great" fighters... And though it may not be the fault of a fighter, circumstances are allowed to determine ATG status. For example, Vlad K. Whether by his design, or otherwise, his level of competition is an issue. I might even have some sympathy for him if he had rematched Sanders...

[Willow The Wisp]

Yeah, I get you. It's one of those what do you look for...

I'm not one of those that feel that way about Wlad for what it's worth. He sat unquestionably at top of the division for a long time. Fighters can only beat who's in front of them and a lack of rivals shouldn't prohibit them from ATG conversations.

I think there's an element of popularity that comes in to it too. Americans or American based fighters have to do a lot less to get into those conversations.

Wilder for example in my opinion was massively overrated. It took him an absurd number of fights to fight for the title. Then fought a who's who of fringe contenders in defence. Even Fury looked like a cherry pick at the time due to what he had been through. So, his lengthy title reign doesn't impress me. Quality over quantity every time.

I'm not bamboozled about how a fighter performs when his days are finished.
The Prime Wilder who KO'd Ortiz and Drew with the best Fury that ever was would be a nightmare for blood & guts Holyfield and china chinned Klitschko and Joshua, IMO.


Most would strongly disagree. At least this season, attantion spans and memory being what they are today. But only a handful of those have seen any of the six boxers mentioned in this post live & up close, as I have.

Does that even matter? You'd have to have seen them live to have a valid opinion about that.

[Willow The Wisp]

But fury barely beat francis. I'm sure furys been penalised for that

Ali barely beat Kenny Jay, Buddy Wolfe and Lyle Alzado.
Same thing. Seriously.