Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Falls Below Anthony Joshua In Rankings Following Loss To Oleksandr Usyk

[Willow The Wisp]

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Based on how you wrote, I really cannot argue against you. It’s very logical and neutral.

I was just responding specifically to this, “ not a big fan of AJ but Fury should never have been ranked above him for only beating Wilder twice and Dillon Whyte the last 7 years.”.

That was not a neutral response at all. You are right, arguments can be made for either.
More important, what if Fury knocks out Usyk in the rematch? Is he back to numero uno?

This is true.

[pollywog]

My opinion is that Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Ruiz and Usyk are all tremendous fighters, with Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Joyce, Parker, Dubois and Zhang ranking just below then, to combine to make this outgoing era one of the better ones we've seen.
Let's have a hard look.


01/17/15:
Deontay Wilder defeats Bermane Stiverne to win the WBC belt.
Wilder would defend that belt 10 times successfully.


11/28/15:
Tyson Fury defeats Wladimir Klitschko for the linial Heavyweight championship of the world, and picks up the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO belts in the process. Fury would defend as linial champion 9 times.

04/09/16
Anthony Joshua defeats Charles Martin to win the IBF belt, his first. He would go on to collect the vacant WBA and IBO belts, stripped from linial champion Fury due to his medical sabbatical, by beating comebacking former champion Wladimir Klitschko in a classic on 04/29/17, and the WBO belt from Joseph Parker, 03/31/18. Joshua would defend his claim to the title a total of 7 times, which includes his collecting of additional belts.


12/01/18:
Wilder-Fury I The epic Lazarus fight.
(The no. 1 meets the re-active sitting champion). An historic, action packed draw in which Wilder performed far better than former champ Klitschko had against Fury, scoring what some considered a knockout. Both cover themselves in glory, fighting at their respective peaks. Fury displays his boxing abilities and Wilder his extraordinary power. Both retain their claim to being world's Champion.


06/01/19:
Ruiz-Joshua I Joshua, 29 and at his peak, loses his aura of invincibility and his contrived title belts, being knocked down repeatedly by the unranked replacement opponent, fringe contender Andy Ruiz.
With this, he has lost his opportunity to step up against fellow champions of the era, Wilder and Fury, as a rematch takes priority.


12/07/19:
Joshua-Ruiz II. Joshua, now ridiculed as a manufactured product due to his performance in the first meeting of these two, exacts some measure of revenge by posting a decision over a morbidly obese, 283.5 lb. version of Ruiz, and is again in the mix for a true title shot.


02/22/2020:
Fury-Wilder II Fury defeats Top titleholder Wilder on his 2nd try, effectively reconnecting his lineage to the title, and muting the title claims fashioned during his absence. Wilder, underperforming but refusing to quit, fires his trainer Mark Brealand for throwing in the towel. Wilder claims having an off-night, and his first and 3rd Fury clashes indicate that this was true, in retrospect.


10/31/2020:
Wilder baiting Fury on his X account:
"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would..."

https://x.com/BronzeBomber/status/13...243072?lang=en


10/09/21:
Fury-Wilder III Fury solidifies his claim to the linial Heavyweight Boxing Championship, beating Wilder in another give & take epic featuring multiple knockdowns scored by each. Both again cover themselves in everlasting glory, fighting for the actual world title tooth and nail, while damaging each other considerably.


9/25/21:
Usyk-Joshua I. Cruiserweight champion Usyk, in just his 3rd fight at heavyweight and an underdog, outboxes Joshua by scores of 117-112, 115-113 and 116-112, lifting the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO title recognition from Joshua, locking Joshua into another rematch against an underdog who gave him a loss.


08/20/22:
Usyk-Joshua II.
Usyk repeats the win over Joshua, who performs somewhat better, forcing a split decision this time.
Having lost three times now, Joshua's opportunity to fight Fury and Wilder appears to be over, as all three have been the leaders in the division now for 7 years.

Joshua would eventually mount a comeback that would see him return as a top heavyweight by the end of 2023.
But by then, Wilder has aged out of contender status, and soon after, the Fury era comes to and end as well as he loses a closely contested decision to Usyk via split decision, 114-113, 113-114 and 115-112. The rematch is scheduled for 12/12/24.


Wilder is a heavyweight great (or near great, if his critics insist) of the past, and Fury is obviously past his prime.
Joshua, due to his repeated losses while prime, would miss out on an opportunity to join with Wilder and Fury while in their respective primes to settle their business together.


What have we learned through this careful study of the actual chronology of fights in the ring, uninterrupted by opinion???
There WILL be a quiz.

We've learned that Joseph Parker is the forgotten man of this era who only has to beat Joshua in a rematch to eclipse the records of Fury, Wilder and Joshua himself.

To then regain a title would see him ranked below Usyk as the best of his generation.

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder clearly ducked Wladimir Klitchko (despite the fact that they had same manager), AJ, Dillian Whyte, Joseph Parker back in 2017and even Potvekin ( He said he won't fight a drug cheat but he fought Ortiz coz he was old and Tyson Fury coz he thought he was weak and pillow fisted).

It is fact AJ, Match room and DAZN offered Wilder 100 million dollars and he rejected the deal spewing nonsense. He lied that he offered AJ 50 Million dollars and AJ rejected it which is laughable. My question for Wilder and his fans is where did Wilder get that kind of money and backing when he has never earn such amount himself? He was no cash cow so how could he offer what he never had? PBC don't have that kind of budget for Wilder and Wilder refused to travel outside of U.S to fight top fights.

Wilder resume is fraudulent and it is clearly revealed. When he stepped up he failed miserably. Wilder was managed in such a way with opponents who are no threats and will stand in front of him and he even has a fake win in Malik Scott his now trainer.

AJ got the top resume and fought top names in his time. He never ducked anyone. He fought the top names. Wilder stepped up and got exposed.

Bull. You don't like Wilder, Americans, Afro-Americans or whatever. Wilder stepped beyond his WBC Alfa-belt and fought for the Title 3 times. Hot n' cold Joshua never did, even once because he was busy losing fights.
That's the truth.

Luis Ortiz was Prime, top ranked and undefeated. Joshua was an outlier to the title and lost to underdogs in his prime; something Wilder never did.

Wilder, taking on contender after contender in accordance with WBC rankings, defended 10 times to Joshua's 7, garnered between his loses. Wilder was bound to fight who the WBC mandated and he DID HIS JOB as WBC title holder. Not complicated.

If the WBC contenders weren't YOUR favorite fighters, that's not Wilder's fault.
In fact, it's nothing.

We'll just see where Joseph Parker and A.J. are when they reach 38. seeking out the top 5, as Wilder ended his career doing; probably ain't gonna be it.


I don't want to disparage Josh, but in addition to never fighting a linial champion until after Wladimir had lost the title COMPREHENSIVLY, and almost getting KO'd doung even that, and loosing twice to Usyk before HE won the crown.

Wilder, in contrast, stepped up and knocked the champ down again and again and again and...ya...again.

Joshua never did anything on that level.

Just some counterpoint thinking here.
No agenda.
All great fighters.

The truth is this, my friends:

Put a quarter billion on the table and say "Come get it Boys!"

Most tough guys won't. They'll elect instead to just make ends meet saying "yes, boss" every day until they die.

Some will settle for short money getting their brains beat up in MMA or Kickboxing; and still others will have enough courage to go for what's on the table.

All the heavyweights we're here insulting are the latter type.
Try and remember that.

[greeneye99]

My opinion is that Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Ruiz and Usyk are all tremendous fighters, with Povetkin, Ortiz, Whyte, Joyce, Parker, Dubois and Zhang ranking just below then, to combine to make this outgoing era one of the better ones we've seen.
Let's have a hard look.


01/17/15:
Deontay Wilder defeats Bermane Stiverne to win the WBC belt.
Wilder would defend that belt 10 times successfully.


11/28/15:
Tyson Fury defeats Wladimir Klitschko for the linial Heavyweight championship of the world, and picks up the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO belts in the process. Fury would defend as linial champion 9 times.

04/09/16
Anthony Joshua defeats Charles Martin to win the IBF belt, his first. He would go on to collect the vacant WBA and IBO belts, stripped from linial champion Fury due to his medical sabbatical, by beating comebacking former champion Wladimir Klitschko in a classic on 04/29/17, and the WBO belt from Joseph Parker, 03/31/18. Joshua would defend his claim to the title a total of 7 times, which includes his collecting of additional belts.


12/01/18:
Wilder-Fury I The epic Lazarus fight.
(The no. 1 meets the re-active sitting champion). An historic, action packed draw in which Wilder performed far better than former champ Klitschko had against Fury, scoring what some considered a knockout. Both cover themselves in glory, fighting at their respective peaks. Fury displays his boxing abilities and Wilder his extraordinary power. Both retain their claim to being world's Champion.


06/01/19:
Ruiz-Joshua I Joshua, 29 and at his peak, loses his aura of invincibility and his contrived title belts, being knocked down repeatedly by the unranked replacement opponent, fringe contender Andy Ruiz.
With this, he has lost his opportunity to step up against fellow champions of the era, Wilder and Fury, as a rematch takes priority.


12/07/19:
Joshua-Ruiz II. Joshua, now ridiculed as a manufactured product due to his performance in the first meeting of these two, exacts some measure of revenge by posting a decision over a morbidly obese, 283.5 lb. version of Ruiz, and is again in the mix for a true title shot.


02/22/2020:
Fury-Wilder II Fury defeats Top titleholder Wilder on his 2nd try, effectively reconnecting his lineage to the title, and muting the title claims fashioned during his absence. Wilder, underperforming but refusing to quit, fires his trainer Mark Brealand for throwing in the towel. Wilder claims having an off-night, and his first and 3rd Fury clashes indicate that this was true, in retrospect.


10/31/2020:
Wilder baiting Fury on his X account:
"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would..."

https://x.com/BronzeBomber/status/13...243072?lang=en


10/09/21:
Fury-Wilder III Fury solidifies his claim to the linial Heavyweight Boxing Championship, beating Wilder in another give & take epic featuring multiple knockdowns scored by each. Both again cover themselves in everlasting glory, fighting for the actual world title tooth and nail, while damaging each other considerably.


9/25/21:
Usyk-Joshua I. Cruiserweight champion Usyk, in just his 3rd fight at heavyweight and an underdog, outboxes Joshua by scores of 117-112, 115-113 and 116-112, lifting the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO title recognition from Joshua, locking Joshua into another rematch against an underdog who gave him a loss.


08/20/22:
Usyk-Joshua II.
Usyk repeats the win over Joshua, who performs somewhat better, forcing a split decision this time.
Having lost three times now, Joshua's opportunity to fight Fury and Wilder appears to be over, as all three have been the leaders in the division now for 7 years.

Joshua would eventually mount a comeback that would see him return as a top heavyweight by the end of 2023.
But by then, Wilder has aged out of contender status, and soon after, the Fury era comes to and end as well as he loses a closely contested decision to Usyk via split decision, 114-113, 113-114 and 115-112. The rematch is scheduled for 12/12/24.


Wilder is a heavyweight great (or near great, if his critics insist) of the past, and Fury is obviously past his prime.
Joshua, due to his repeated losses while prime, would miss out on an opportunity to join with Wilder and Fury while in their respective primes to settle their business together.


What have we learned through this careful study of the actual chronology of fights in the ring, uninterrupted by opinion???
There WILL be a quiz.

Damn Bro
This is a comments section....
Whu don't You write your own Articles for Boxingscene
Sheeeeeesh

[factsarenice]

The Fury delusion is tough to kick. Usyk outboxed and outworked Fury for 9/12 rounds. He also beat that fat ass hole from pillar to post and was robbed of a knockout, so how anybody could assert that Fury should be the betting favorite in the rematch after drinking himself into a stupor for six months is beyond even my comprehension.

For starters I picked Usyk to win. Many times I've said Fury was avoiding AJ and Usyk and that Furys belt should be stripped. That said, Fury has all the tools to beat Usyk but he may not have the discipline.

And yes, if there is a rematch Fury will be the favorite with a better than average chance to win.

[Willow The Wisp]

That's strange, Lou Dibella was black balled for allowing the offer to be presented and according to Shelly Finkel, Wilder was offered 80 - 100 million but they instead would fight a recovering drug addict for guaranteed 4 million. But sure, you have your opinion and I respect that but I'm siding with Wilder's promoter and Lou Dibella.

Lastly, Joshua beats Wilder with relative ease and if you can't see that I guess we can agree to disagree.

We do indeed.

[factsarenice]

Bull. You don't like Wilder, Americans, Afro-Americans or whatever. Wilder stepped beyond his WBC Alfa-belt and fought for the Title 3 times. Hot n' cold Joshua never did, even once because he was busy losing fights.
That's the truth.

Luis Ortiz was Prime, top ranked and undefeated. Joshua was an outlier to the title and lost to underdogs in his prime; something Wilder never did.

Wilder, taking on contender after contender in accordance with WBC rankings, defended 10 times to Joshua's 7, garnered between his loses. Wilder was bound to fight who the WBC mandated and he DID HIS JOB as WBC title holder. Not complicated.

If the WBC contenders weren't YOUR favorite fighters, that's not Wilder's fault.
In fact, it's nothing.

We'll just see where Joseph Parker and A.J. are when they reach 38. seeking out the top 5, as Wilder ended his career doing; probably ain't gonna be it.


I don't want to disparage Josh, but in addition to never fighting a linial champion until after Wladimir had lost the title COMPREHENSIVLY, and almost getting KO'd doung even that, and loosing twice to Usyk before HE won the crown.

Wilder, in contrast, stepped up and knocked the champ down again and again and again and...ya...again.

Joshua never did anything on that level.

Just some counterpoint thinking here.
No agenda.
All great fighters.

The truth is this, my friends:

Put a quarter billion on the table and say "Come get it Boys!"

Most tough guys won't. They'll elect instead to just make ends meet saying "yes, boss" every day until they die.

Some will settle for short money getting their brains beat up in MMA or Kickboxing; and still others will have enough courage to go for what's on the table.

All the heavyweights we're here insulting are the latter type.
Try and remember that.

Wilder fought a bunch of in-house no hopes with his best win being a 40 year old Ortiz. Wilder got a gift draw when he mistakenly cherry picked a rehabilitating drug addict and then got knocked out in two rematches. Wilder avoided Andy Ruiz and went on to lose 4 of his last 5 fights. Oh, I almost forgot, one of those losses came at the hands of a guy Joshua already beaten but lets not talk about that..

[factsarenice]

The MMA guy is best not mentioned in boxing circles and his fights vs Fury and Joshua shouldnt be counted against their records.

Take that away and Joshy has a record in his last 3 fights of an overmatched sparring partner, a late replacement fall guy and a shot journeyman.

The guy has fought 1 exhibition round in the last year...Go the WBC!!!

Lol.

That's odd because Otto Wallin took Fury to task and lost on points and still manged to put Fury in the hospital.
Ngannou put Fury on his ass in what should have been a draw but sure, I understand why you don't want those fights to count but they do...and Anthony Joshua knocked them both out so live with it.

[factsarenice]

I enjoyed seeing that showboating bastard in the picture above get the grin wiped the FK off his face by Usyk.

I have to admit, I admired the poetic justice.

[TMLT87]

Of course AJ should be ranked over Fury at this point. Hes much more active nowadays and just wrecked 2 guys who previously gave Fury plenty of trouble.