Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Falls Below Anthony Joshua In Rankings Following Loss To Oleksandr Usyk

[kafkod]

Nobody's beat anybody elite except usyk and Fury. You're dense about this it's a simple point. Oh Josh beat Klitschko when he was worked over and lost to elite fighters... Ok.


I just can't make this point anymore simple.

Try being specific, and give me some names to illustrate the point you're making.

Fury's best win is Wlad Klitschko. I don't believe anybody who knows anything at all about the modern HW era would dispute that. But AJ also beat Wlad. And the Wlad who AJ beat looked like the same Wlad that Fury beat 18 months earlier. Wlad didn't didn't fight anybody in between Fury and AJ, and he certainly didn't get "worked over" by Fury!

But AJ never beat an elite opponent and Fury did?

What other elites did Fury beat, who were not also beaten by AJ? And if, as I suspect, the name you have in mind there is Wilder, then please tell me who Wilder beat to justify you classing him as "elite"?

And if the answer to that question is Ortiz, then please tell me who Ortiz beat to justify your belief that Wilder beating Ortiz made Deontay an elite HW?

[kafkod]

We've had the battle of Parker's sloppy seconds with Zhang v Wilder.

A battle between Usyk's sloppy seconds with Joshua v Dubois seems likely .

If the sloppy seconds winners face off and Turki parks Fury on the pavement for a spell perhaps we might get the fight between the 2 most deserving...

Parker v Usyk.

Usyk vs Joyce, Whyte and AJ's sloppy seconds?

Why?

[pollywog]

Usyk vs Joyce, Whyte and AJ's sloppy seconds?

Why?

Because we've seen Usyk v the best the brits have in Chisora, AJ, Fury and Dubois and they were all found wanting.

Seriously, are you advocating for Usyk v Joyce and Whyte next ?

Which part of 'Parker is the most deserving of a crack at Usyk next ' do you not get or disagree with ?

[kafkod]

Because we've seen Usyk v the best the brits have in Chisora, AJ, Fury and Dubois and they were all found wanting.

Seriously, are you advocating for Usyk v Joyce and Whyte next ?

Which part of 'Parker is the most deserving of a crack at Usyk next ' do you not get or disagree with ?

Better than Usyk vs their sloppy seconds.

We've seen Parker vs the best Brits, and he was found wanting every time.

[pollywog]

Better than Usyk vs their sloppy seconds.

We've seen Parker vs the best Brits, and he was found wanting every time.

Haha...youd rather see Usyk v Joyce or Whyte rather than Joseph Parker just cos they're British.

K. I think we're done here!

[billeau2]

Try being specific, and give me some names to illustrate the point you're making.

Fury's best win is Wlad Klitschko. I don't believe anybody who knows anything at all about the modern HW era would dispute that. But AJ also beat Wlad. And the Wlad who AJ beat looked like the same Wlad that Fury beat 18 months earlier. Wlad didn't didn't fight anybody in between Fury and AJ, and he certainly didn't get "worked over" by Fury!

But AJ never beat an elite opponent and Fury did?

What other elites did Fury beat, who were not also beaten by AJ? And if, as I suspect, the name you have in mind there is Wilder, then please tell me who Wilder beat to justify you classing him as "elite"?

And if the answer to that question is Ortiz, then please tell me who Ortiz beat to justify your belief that Wilder beating Ortiz made Deontay an elite HW?

You don't listen. I'm not going to repeat myself anymore. Read the post. Point is not about Fury fighting an elite opponent... Reading comprehension. Point is nobody has beat anybody of much standing that puts them in a different category when we look at the top heavyweights.

read instead of just responding.

[pollywog]

...read instead of just responding.

That's a bridge too far for some.

[kafkod]

You don't listen. I'm not going to repeat myself anymore. Read the post. Point is not about Fury fighting an elite opponent... Reading comprehension. Point is nobody has beat anybody of much standing that puts them in a different category when we look at the top heavyweights.

read instead of just responding.

That's not true though. AJ has beaten -

Whyte, undefeated at that time.
Martin, also undefeated and reigning IBF champ.
Wlad.
Parker, undefeated WBO champ.
Povetkin.
Pulev.
Wallin. That's a much better resume than Wilder's and, imo, also better than Fury's.

[kafkod]

Haha...youd rather see Usyk v Joyce or Whyte rather than Joseph Parker just cos they're British.

K. I think we're done here!

And you want to see Parker fight AJ simply because he is the same race as you.

I hope it happens, because AJ would beat him again and you would either disappear or find something else to obsess about.

[billeau2]

That's not true though. AJ has beaten -

Whyte, undefeated at that time.
Martin, also undefeated and reigning IBF champ.
Wlad.
Parker, undefeated WBO champ.
Povetkin.
Pulev.
Wallin. That's a much better resume than Wilder's and, imo, also better than Fury's.

Even most casuals would not call those elite fighters... Vlad is the exception, mentioned. You have to be trolling... to call Wallin an elite fighter.
your an idiot... Bye!