Comments Thread For: In Defeated Deontay Wilder, Eddie Hearn Sees Anthony Joshua at His Lowest

[dannnnn]

Malik: "I don't want no rock 'em sock 'em ****!"

Literally everybody else: "Why isn't Wilder doing his rock 'em sock 'em ****??"

I can't think of a worse trainer/fighter pairing. Malik was telling him everything except what he actually needed to hear, which was don't overthink it, don't worry about where they land, just let your hands go. Everyone was saying that except the guy who had his ear.

[Smash]

poor deontay he cant even shoot his guns anymore now that he just cant pull the trigger no more

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[Blackstarr]

The ''past it' comment is indeed too black and white, but I think we are looking at a decline from his peak where he can no longer perform at the level he used to operate at (irrespective of opinion on what that level was, and level of opposition, it got him a lot of wins and he tested Fury to his limit).

We've seen it before with other boxers where late on thete is increased hesitancy to pull the trigger '(i vaguely remember Wlad had this criticjsm'), and given Wilders success was entirely dependant on that trigger, without it he isn't the same force he was. Add in potential lowrer pinch resistance, and Wilder would need to be able to fall back on boxing skills that were never realy there to continue at the top level.

I don’t particularly agree with this. He can’t perform at the level he used to operate at simply because he’s not facing soft opposition anymore. Do you genuinely think that if he was put in the ring with more Heleniuses, Brezeales, Washingtons and Szpilkas (these were all title fights btw), we wouldn’t see more highlight reel KOs?

Also his punch resistance has always looked the same level to me, but just hadn’t been tested outside of the better opposition he has faced. He got put away in two fights with the same head and body shots that Usyk was eating up, and was out on his feet in the 1st Ortiz fight where the bell saved him in the 7th round. As for letting his hands go, Wilder did a good amount of that in the fight with Zhang, who attested to Wilder’s power after the fight.

It’s too much of a coincidence that these bad losses have come when has stepped up. As I’ve mentioned, Wilder’s “decline” is a tired argument and glosses over so many weaknesses and hard truths.

[theface07]

I've said many times, Deontay was gonna get his cap peeled.

Did Fury peel his muffin cap back blue?

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Wilder is still good. People just judging him on a couple of bad performances. He needs to get a proper trainer first tho

At 38 and with close to fifty fights , he's not going to learn anything new. Besides , his timing and reflexes are gone. He's at a time and place that nothing good is going to come his way. He's just risking brain damage at this point. There are two undefeated forces in the universe , Father Time and Mother Nature.

[champion4ever]

Wilder is both broken, discouraged and depressed. He no longer believes in himself. It all begins and ends with him. The most damaged he has sustained in his career is mental and psychological.

Those two-back to-back losses to Tyson Fury have sapped all of the self-confidence out of him. He needs to do some deep soul searching on whether or not he really wants to do this.

If he does, then he needs to make a lot of changes. He could start by getting himself a new trainer and manager. If not, then he should just retire before he gets his boxing license permanently revoked or end up in a vegetative state.

He has to get his hunger and passion back in order to be successful again. Not just showing up and laying down as a gatekeeper. I still believe he could do it. With the right mind set. It's just like he always says; "Speak it, believe it and achieve it'.

[Toffee]

At 38 and with close to fifty fights , he's not going to learn anything new. Besides , his timing and reflexes are gone. He's at a time and place that nothing good is going to come his way. He's just risking brain damage at this point. There are two undefeated forces in the universe , Father Time and Mother Nature.

This... and he's fighting guys who are much bigger than him who hit him back.

Anyone around Wilder who thinks he should go in with anyone in the top 10 doesn't have his best interests at heart. He's going to get seriously damaged.

[Willow The Wisp]

I don’t particularly agree with this. He can’t perform at the level he used to operate at simply because he’s not facing soft opposition anymore. Do you genuinely think that if he was put in the ring with more Heleniuses, Brezeales, Washingtons and Szpilkas (these were all title fights btw), we wouldn’t see more highlight reel KOs?

Also his punch resistance has always looked the same level to me, but just hadn’t been tested outside of the better opposition he has faced. He got put away in two fights with the same head and body shots that Usyk was eating up, and was out on his feet in the 1st Ortiz fight where the bell saved him in the 7th round. As for letting his hands go, Wilder did a good amount of that in the fight with Zhang, who attested to Wilder’s power after the fight.

It’s too much of a coincidence that these bad losses have come when has stepped up. As I’ve mentioned, Wilder’s “decline” is a tired argument and glosses over so many weaknesses and hard truths.

More anti African-American, anti-USA agendized pseudo reasoning I recon.
Wilder is "blamed" for fighting Molina, Breazeale & Helenius and Joshua isn't.
Wilder going after Fury hard, getting in 3 times with him, and waiting years for Joshua to meet him too, until he inevitably ages out, and this is claimed to be his finally "stepping up in class". I've seen them all criticized on these fan boards at one time or another.
I guess it's all part of being a fan. Like the guy with a 100 dollar bet on the 27th fastest horse in the world shouting "come on you nag!!!!". Same thing.

But if you where locked in a room with Deontay Wilder; you're going to get your thinking strait.

[Blackstarr]

More anti African-American, anti-USA agendized pseudo reasoning I recon.
Wilder is "blamed" for fighting Molina, Breazeale & Helenius and Joshua isn't.
Wilder going after Fury hard, getting in 3 times with him, and waiting years for Joshua to meet him too, until he inevitably ages out, and this is claimed to be his finally "stepping up in class". I've seen them all criticized on these fan boards at one time or another.
I guess it's all part of being a fan. Like the guy with a 100 dollar bet on the 27th fastest horse in the world shouting "come on you nag!!!!". Same thing.

But if you where locked in a room with Deontay Wilder; you're going to get your thinking strait.

So Wilder represents the entirety of African-Americans and USA as a whole does he? He really is your world huh? I didn’t blame Wilder for those names, I just said that he’d look like the KO king of old if were to return that level of competitions.

And yes that’s exactly what I meant..when he finally stopped fighting scrubs and stepped up in competition, he got dominated. He beat on one more scrub, then tried stepping up again and got dominated twice more, with the final beatdown coming at the hands of an even older 41-year old. Also, AJ was there all along..Wilder admitted as much when he said he turned down more money to fight Fury instead of AJ in the first place.

Interesting suggestion..is that what happened to you then? You spent the night locked in a room with Wilder and he turned you into one of his brainwashed b.itches? Thanks, but I think I’ll pass.

[Legends456]

All this chat of Wilder being “past it” is so tiresome. Wilder looked perfectly fine to everyone starching Helenius in 1 round after the back-to-back Fury losses, let’s not forget. Now all of a sudden he’s past it because he loses every round to Parker, despite Wilder having a history of being outboxed by the likes of Duhaupas and Washington before his power bailed him out?

In the Zhang fight, Wilder was his usual low-output self while throwing the occasional bombs in the 2nd and 5th round that would have landed and folded every nondescript fighter he faced up until Fury. Put him back with any one of them and he’ll be back to his “scintillating best”, I’m certain of it. The simple fact is Wilder has now been stepping up his competition and is getting found short - everything else is secondary.

Thanks for being the voice of reason. I, too, remember Wilder’s fans after the Helenius fight actually saying that we were seeing the dawn of a new era of Wilder as all the pieces were beginning to click under Malik Scott. And that if they could just get a fourth fight with Fury, this new version of Wilder would absolutely destroy him.