Who do you rank higher? Evander Holyfield or Oleksandr Usyk. SERIOUS DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.

[Pac=Duran]

Usyk didn't gain 70lbs as an adult.

MW limit in the amateurs is 164lbs and Usyk's highest recorded weight is 223lbs.

So he gained less than 60lbs over the course of about 20 years while maturing from a skinny teenager to a muscular 37 year old man. There is nothing at all suspicious about that. It's called "growing up"

Hahaha haha

Amerifrauds live in a country with a 70% obesity rate and can't imagine a guy filling out 60 pounds from the age of 19 to nearly 40 yo

[QueensburyRules]

To rank fighters against each other, criteria for rank must be established first. Examples of things that warrant credit include impact on society, representing the sport positively, quality of opponents beaten, time at the top, innovations provided to the craft, public acclaim, spectacular moments, and of course; our best guess as to who wins a head to head match up.

In this case, the impact of one of these two being still in motion is significant because Usyk at the moment still retains an unblemished record; wheras Holyfield somewhat besmirched his legacy going 8-6-2 in the 21st century, with some damming losses late in his career.
Therefore, when Usyk is through, we can gain a better view.

Holyfield's special triumphs were against Qawi, Tillman, Parkey, Ocasio, DeLeon, Tillis, Thomas, Dokes, Robrigues, Stewart x2, McDonagh, Douglas, Foreman, Cooper, Bowe, Mercer, Tyson x2, Moorer, Ruiz, Rahman, Savarese, Nielsen and Botha.

Usyk's special triumphs were against Glowacki, Hunter, Huck, Briedis, Gassiev, Bellew, Witherspoon, Chisora, Joshua x2, Dubois and Fury.

My thinking is this. Holyfield leads in special wins which should surprise no one. But Usyk said recently that he's up for "3 more years" in the sport.

Should he manage to defeat Fury in the rematch, and notch victories against, say, Zhang, Parker, Anderson and Kabayel in that time, and get out undefeated; he would surely pull ahead of the "Real Deal" in my book.

- - U chaps too busy hating on Russians to see Usyk's traditional Hvywt numbers dwarf poor Field both in excellence and in numbers. Bronze Medal LH Field turned pro just barely above the 174 limit and didn't fight his first 200lb until years later and has a 26-10-2 record at hvy.

Gold Medal Hvywt Usyk has completely dominated the field, currently 28-0, 16 KO, simples...

[_Rexy_]

Prime holyfield would beat the living **** out of usyk. Seems like a lot of posters on this forum started watching boxing yesterday.

Usyk is better than Moorer

[_Rexy_]

Are you stoned?

The prime version of Rid**** Bowe would beat the living dog shxt out of a 35 year old Tyson Fury.

Hell, the Lennox Lewis that Holyfield gave trouble with would definitely whoop the 35 year old Tyson Fury.





You gotta be one of AJ's English muffins.

Yeah, beating the guy who got rag dolled by Andy Ruiz made him better than the man who beat the prime Rid**** Bowe



Now, this I kinda agree with, though Usyk being a former Middleweight, who lost to Shawn Porter in the amateurs to being a 235lb HW who can hang with Tyson Fury is about as su****ious as it gets.



Not a PROVEN drug cheat.

Like I said, the dude's ganed about 70lbs as an adult and isn't morbidly obese, that's sus as fxck.

He was 16-17 when he fought Porter at 165. He’s 38 now lol.

I think 60lbs over 21 years is doable. Especially when 5 of those years are during puberty.

[champion4ever]

They changed all the rules for Oleksandr Usyk. Initially the Cruiserwight division limit was 190 lbs. Now the weight limit is 200 lbs.

So my answer has to be Evander Holyfield. I have to rank him higher than Usyk at the moment. Besides, Evander is also a four time Heavyweight division titleholder.

[Brother Mouzone]

Usyk is beast , voted Evander , Holyfield has better wins period , end of story ..

[Gary Coleman]

Usyk. Losses have a price at the elite level.


I don’t think Holyfield has a win as good as undefeated tyson fury.

I rank Holyfield's victory over Rid**** Bowe higher than any single win from Usyk.

[hugh grant]

Usyk is beast , voted Evander , Holyfield has better wins period , end of story ..

So was Holyfield pfp no1?

[crimsonfalcon07]

Usyk is apparently thinking about going back to cruiserweight and seeking undisputed again there. How will that affect your views of him?

[4truth]

I've always said Holyfield but I've always predicted losses for Usyk and been wrong. I was wrong about Usyk/Gassiev, wrong about Usyk/Joshua 1 and 2, wrong about Usyk Fury.

Maybe I'm wrong about Usyk/Holyfield too. Certainly Usyk beats many versions of Holyfield but I've always assumed that Usyk would lose to the best version of Holyfield, the version with Steward in his corner and a victory over Bowe.