Who do you rank higher? Evander Holyfield or Oleksandr Usyk. SERIOUS DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.

[billeau2]

wow Holyfield fought Holmes 10 yrs after Holmes got his back blown out by Tyson???


r u srs. Jake Paul is going to enter the ATG ranking soon after knocking out Tyson

Owned!!!! Owned bought, paid for... You just got KTFO!!

[billeau2]

Usyk was 19 when they fought in December of 2006 at 165lbs.

He fought Fury at 223 at 37.

Yeah I mean do we really know if Usyk used, or not?

[billeau2]

Holly fought tougher fighters... People always talk about stats that are relative... like titles... Compare Bellew, who is one of my favorite fighters... but compare backing him up and The guys Holly fought at below heavyweight like Qawi. At heavyweight Holly was comptitive with strong fighters from two strong eras, Usyk has beat two of the best in a weak era.

With that said, lets see how Usyk does to evaluate historically. But they fought at different levels. Holly beat a whos who of heavyweights.

[_Rexy_]

Usyk was 19 when they fought in December of 2006 at 165lbs.

He fought Fury at 223 at 37.

Okay, so you cant put on that weight naturally over EIGHTEEN years?

[kafkod]

Lennox Lewis is one of the greatest HWs ever, so I don't kno0w how that somehow makes your point.

And by the time Bowe fought Golota he was far past his prime.

that's how I know you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Nobody considers post Holyfield Bowe as "prime Rid**** bowe"

Bowe was 29 years old when he fought Golota.

Do you actually know anything about him .. apart from his name and the fact that he is a black American HW who fought in the 1990s?

Is that all you need to know to rate him higher than Fury and Usyk?

Usyk, btw, beat the 2 best heavyweights of his era in his mid - late 30s.

[kafkod]

Bro ain't no body need a reason to rate any of the 3 90s kings above Fury. He's a resume of two people, neither of which were very successful afterward.


We all know how retrospect looks back on a record like that. It's time for youse lot to quit pretending being big as **** makes up for the lack of actually having done **** all.

Being big as **** for his era was the only reason Riddick "Big Daddy" Bowe became a top level HW.

He had average ability, but won fights by being bigger than most of his opponents. That's why he ran from Lennox Lewis and that's also why he was getting the crap beaten out of him in 2 fights with Golota, who was a similar size to him, until Golota, who had a screw loose in his head, started ignoring the ref's warnings to keep his punches up and got himself disqualified both times.

If "Big Daddy" Bowe was fighting now he would be "Average size HW" Bowe and getting the crap beaten out of him by just about everybody in the top 10.

[Atypicalbrit]

Holyfield and I shouldn't need to explain why.

The only reason people could argue for Usyk is the 0, but if he fought like another 15 top 20 heavyweights to get close to Holyfields numbers I guarentee he would no longer have the 0

Recency bias is becoming disgusting, it used to just be the MMA fans who hyped up whoever was the best right now as being the best of all time but that kind of casual attitude is slipping over to boxing now.

Most of the people picking Usyk probably wouldn't be able to tell me 2 names on Holyfields resume after his first 25 fights because they don't actually know much about Holyfields career.

I'll tell you this for nothing as well, Holyfield was not a historically big puncher at heavyweight, similar to Usyk, but if AJ and Fury struggled with Usyk pressuring them then I GUARENTEE you Holyfield would have stopped both of them.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Evander Holyfield at his peak, was a better fighter than Oleksandr Uysk 'Holyfeild has also beaten greater Heavyweight fighters in his career'.

But? Nobody can deny, Oleksandr Uysk's feats of achievements have been very impressive.

Evander Hoyfield has beaten greater Heavyweight fighters than Oleksandr Uysk, multiple greater Heavyweights fighters.

Rid**** Bowe, Mike Tyson, Michael Moorer, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Michael Dokes, Bert Cooper, Ray Mercer, John Ruiz, Hasim Raham, Buster Douglas, Alex Stewart'.

Oleksandr Usyk best wins at Heavyweight are Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Those individual wins are not greater than Evander Holyfield's best wins i.e Rid**** Bowe and Mike Tyson'.

Derek Chisora is Oleksandr Uysk's next best win, Chisora even at his peak 'Is not a greater win than Michael Moorer, Ray Mercer, George Foreman, Larry Holmes. The Derek Chisora win definitively at the stage of his career he fought Uysk, is in and around the level of Michael Dokes and Bert Cooper wins on Evander Holyfield's resume.

I still see people claiming that Tyson Fury is head to head all-time great fighter 'Tyson Fury is not better at any point of his career, than the version of Mike Tyson who Evander Holyfield fought and beat'.

Note: So as you can see Evander Holyfield in terms of pure ability is clearly a superior fighter than Oleksandr Uysk. Evander Holyfeild whether be during his wins and loses, in my opinion has shown greater all round fighting abilities.

Evander Holyfield was not fortunate as Oleksandr Uysk, in terms of the Heavyweight era he was fighting in. Evander Holyfield moved up into the Heavyweight Division, and fought during one of the best most formidable Heavyweights era's ever 'The 90's Heavyweight era is ether ranked as the Number 1 or 2 Heavyweight generation in terms of pure competitiveness and ability'.

To conclude: I personally rate Evander Holyfield as a greater fighter than Oleksandr Uysk. Quite simply Evander Holyfield has achieved the best individual wins at Heavyweight, displayed the greater overall boxing abilities, was more thoroughly tested against a by far higher level and calibre fighters.

Evander Holyfield was both the Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion, and Undisputed Heavyweight World Champion 'And if it was not for the Controversy of his Olympic disqualification. Holyfield may have went on to win the Olympic title in the 1984 Olympic Games'.

Overall if you have knowledge of boxing history, then you will understand that in terms of pure ability Evander Holyfield is greater more proven fighter than Oleksandr Uysk 'Holyfield fought a career at Heavyweight, he did not just ambush the division like Oleksandr Uysk in the latter stages of the era'.

That is no disrespect to Oleksandr Uysk, but it has been mentioned on other threads 'Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua'. Those three Heavyweight mountains of this era, before Oleksandr Uysk invaded the division? It was those Heavyweight fighters who had done most of the clearing out of the Division, with Anthony Joshua being the Champion overall taking on the most top level Heavyweight fighters'.

Tyson Fury was the first to inflict damage on the Kiltschko reign within the Heavyweight Division, and then it was Anthony Joshua who conclusive took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new Dynasty 'On April 29th 2017, Anthony Joshua not only beat Wladimir Kiltschko and climbed the mountain in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Anthony Joshua also stayed around at the summit and defend his titles, conclusively taking the Heavyweight Division into a completely new Dynasty'.

Unlike Oleksandr Uysk, when Evander Holyfield entered into the Heavyweight Division 'The Heavyweight era was not really in its conclusive stages'.

Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, and he is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing 'Pound for pound he has also achieved the greatest individual feats'.

But there are fighters who I rate higher than Oleksandr Uysk 'I believe both David Haye and Evander Holyfield at their peaks, where better fighters.

If a Super Six Competition was created when David Haye was in the cruiserweight division 'Then Haye would of most likely became the Undisputed World Champion. I personally have always regarded as a Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion, he won the Ring Magazine Belt, WBC, WBO, WBA titles.

The only reason why David Haye was not crowned as a Undisputed Champion, was because O'Neil Bell who was the IBF Champion was stripped of his IBF titles before fighting the rematch and losing to Jean Marc Mormeck. 'David Haye knocked out Jean Marc Mormeck, who at the time had beaten every single opponent he had ever fought, due to Mormeck avenging his loss to Bell'.

Once Oleksandr Uysk moved into the Heavyweight, it was just a matter of him ambushing the division 'And then taking all the titles. It is still a monumental feat of achievement, but? It would of been a way more difficult take for him if he would of enter into the Heavyweight Division even just a few years earlier'.

Both Oleksandr Uysk and Evander Holyfield are all-time greater fighters 'But Evander Holyfield at his peak, and due to the era he fought in? Is a Greater and superior all-time great fighter'.

Note: I have not voted on the poll etc.

[TMLT87]

I'd have to give it to Holyfield on resume especially because of the comparative depth of his HW work, but tbh head to head wise i'd give a slight edge to Usyk.

[Atypicalbrit]

I'd have to give it to Holyfield on resume especially because of the comparative depth of his HW work, but tbh head to head wise i'd give a slight edge to Usyk.

I wouldn't I think Holyfield is stylistically about the worst possible opponent for Usyk, a relentless 15 round fighter with an iron chin and the ability to pressure non-stop, get his head on your chest and work for 12 rounds giving you no space?

It would look like rounds 1,2 and 3 of Usyk vs Chisora, for 12 rounds.

Usyk said the other day that Chisora hit him the hardest he'd ever been hit, because Chisora stepped to him and winged shots up close rather than try box the guy like Fury and AJ did and missed his little bobble head swaying all night. You'd best belive Evander will be up close and personal firing in combos at point blank range while Usyk pleads with the ref "please get this guy off me"

Usyk sucks on the inside, absoloutley sucks, and he ain't fast enough to keep Evander off him.