Wilder is the Biggest SCAM in Boxing History

[DeeMoney]

You're right. That makes Fury a bum for going 3 fights with him and nearly losing the first one, lol. Usyk finally exposed Fury for what he was, a FRAUD the entire time! Beating that 41 year old Klitschko and claiming to be the greatest heavyweight of this era. PAAAALEEEEAAASE.

Which in turn makes Usyk a bum for only being able to take a SD over Fury, and not being able to secure a ko. And of course AJ is a bum, for doing worse against Usyk than Fury (who we’ve already established as a bum) did.
So now weve established that all heavyweight fighters are bums in this thread.

Combine that with the underlying premise of this thread: believe in my opinion or you are unfit to be called a man, or be a fan of the sport. And we’ve got the epitome of social media here.

[billeau2]

Which in turn makes Usyk a bum for only being able to take a SD over Fury, and not being able to secure a ko. And of course AJ is a bum, for doing worse against Usyk than Fury (who we’ve already established as a bum) did.
So now weve established that all heavyweight fighters are bums in this thread.

Combine that with the underlying premise of this thread: believe in my opinion or you are unfit to be called a man, or be a fan of the sport. And we’ve got the epitome of social media here.

It is a typical war loon thread... Take something with perhaps a modicum of truth and make it into a major issue that makes every disbeliever a lesser man.

Lets take a look at the statement that boxers are marketed to the public. This is very true. Wilder included. Boxers are also brought along carefully so they can look their best. For example, Look at Fernando Vargas. He had a punch and some skills and was carefully brought along until the fateful day he fought Trinidad and then De La Hoya. He was matched against good fighters that highlighted his abilities.

So Wilder's right hand was marketed... He was fed a diet of opponents initially that made his attributes stand out. Does not diminish him.Then War Loon goes to another trope here: To demean Ortiz. Ortiz who was an excellent fighter by all accounts. Casuals love to use triangle theory this way: "Gee if fighter A beat fighterB, fighter B cannot be that good a victory for fighter C." No, it has never worked that way... Fury arguably lost to cabdriver McDermot... So?

In the final analysis Wilder was neither: the greatest puncher ever, or, the biggest hype job ever. Somewhere in the middle we have an excellent puncher, who frankly looked confused, more than shot last night.

[War Room]

However, during his prime, he did have success against decent fighters.

False.

No one who complains about Wilder is knocking out 39 opponents no matter who they face, taxi driver or cashier. Let alone WORLD ranked athletes. Sit on the couch, drink your beer and enjoy the show

I walked the walk kthough, with champions in my gym.

It is a typical war loon thread... Take something with perhaps a modicum of truth and make it into a major issue that makes every disbeliever a lesser man.

Lets take a look at the statement that boxers are marketed to the public. This is very true. Wilder included. Boxers are also brought along carefully so they can look their best. For example, Look at Fernando Vargas. He had a punch and some skills and was carefully brought along until the fateful day he fought Trinidad and then De La Hoya. He was matched against good fighters that highlighted his abilities.

So Wilder's right hand was marketed... He was fed a diet of opponents initially that made his attributes stand out. Does not diminish him.Then War Loon goes to another trope here: To demean Ortiz. Ortiz who was an excellent fighter by all accounts. Casuals love to use triangle theory this way: "Gee if fighter A beat fighterB, fighter B cannot be that good a victory for fighter C." No, it has never worked that way... Fury arguably lost to cabdriver McDermot... So?

In the final analysis Wilder was neither: the greatest puncher ever, or, the biggest hype job ever. Somewhere in the middle we have an excellent puncher, who frankly looked confused, more than shot last night.

Shut your stinkin' pie hole you phoney bologna boxing wannabe. I've dragged you through the streets of the Thunderdome COUNTLESS times to the point I've given you CTE. You come up in here throwing around 5 dollar words desperate for people to think your smart when you've got a degree in under-water basket weaving and jobless living on the Palmolive hand.



The fact you think War Loon is like a funny name shows how melted you are. It's a terrible terrible name, if it was funny I would give you one, but it's not. Why don't you come up with something good? Like, nobody says 'loon' anymore, that word has been dead since the early 80's.

I see a lot of new faces so let's make sure that they know YDKSAB by someone who does and actually did it, unlike yourself.

Ortiz was 52 years old, facts. I know people inside the game that know his real age, something you don't because you're a martial farts pretender with a melted brain from years of abuse. IDGAF how good you are, you suck at 52, end of!

Vargas was brought along extremely fast lmao. Clearly YDKSAB. So fast he had a WORLD TITLE at only 14-0 against a 72-2 legit champ. That pace is a known recipe for disaster. Vargas didn't fight 38 bummers in a row, he fought a few and even though those first 13 aren't really recognizable, some had great records in comparison.

• Vargas fought Raul Marquez at 16-0
• Vargas fought Winky at 17-0
• Vargas fought Quartey at 18-0
• Vargas fought Trinidad at 20-0
• Vargas fought Wilfredo Ricvera at 21-0
• Vargas fought Oscar at 23-0

Wilder was still fighting 25-16-4 bummers at 31-0 and 18-0-1's at 37-0. Wilder is the biggest scam in boxing history.

[YoungManRumble]

The Tuscaloosa bum lost and is basically retired. What are you so mad about? Do you just live to condescend to people?

[Toffee]

I remember having this discussion on here after the 2nd Fury fight. Wilder's biggest issue was that he learnt nothing in his career.

Wilder v Fury 1. Fury knew he'd been robbed so he set about a plan to win the rematch. Whereas Wilder was delusional in believing in a long count and points robbery and therefore opted to do exactly the same as he'd always done.

Wilder v Fury 2. Wilder got battered. He was then delusional in blaming everything and everyone except himself. It was his outfit, Fury cheated, his cornerman drugged him, he was pulled out of the fight when he still had a chance... no reflection on his performance at all. Then he sacked the one guy who tried to look after him and replaced him with a guy who wouldn't dare challenge what Wilder was doing.

Wilder v Parker. Watch what happens when Parker tagged him later in the fight. His response is to look to the referee as though something wrong must have happened.

Wilder v Zhang. He does exactly the same. He's complaining because subconsciously he believes someone must have done something wrong.

You could go back to earlier fights. Ortiz nearly beat him twice and his power got him out of a mess. Instead of working on the things that got him in trouble, he just focused on the thing that he already had - the power.

He never learnt. He never allowed anyone around him to challenge him. He never accepted that he might have weaknesses or that the better man might have won. Never showed any kind of sportsmanship.

He was a bit of fun. But, assuming this is the end, he should be considered an average fighter with terrible boxing skills, above average power, and a complete inability to improve as he moved into fighting better boxers.

[ELPacman]

Amen.



Thats HW boxing baby. You're not always gonna be a big guy, plenty of smaller guys rose to the top. You're invalid and easily tricked.



I don't think ne nearly lost the first one at all, I thought he clearly won. I gave Wilder very few rounds, solid. Those other fights only happened because of the money, facts.

I thought Fury beat Usyk by 1 round. You people DKSAB and definitely don't know how to score.

Vlad at 41 was on a ~22 fight win streak dominating all the young guys, he was well preserved more than most fighters that ever fought at that age. Fury clowned him, Vlad won like 2 rounds. Beat it kid, you've been hoodwinked time and time again.

I mean look at your AV rofl, Pacman - another guy who enjoyed a cherry-picked career of fighters at their weakest and had to have a crushing loss within their last 3 fights before Trampler would sign-off. Your entire life has been drowned in smoke & mirrors. Be gone pest lol.

Unlike you, I got ballz to go in on a fighter I enjoyed watching. No shame hiding it here. You probably drive with tints so nobody can see your fugly self. Confidence guy, right? Pacman didn't cherry pick anymore than any fighter you got their c*ck in your @ss. I don't care that Fury was keeping up with Wilder in their first fight. He had to go life and death with him and get a draw before the next two fights. Wlad at 41 was still 41. I don't care if he had a 50 win streak. How old was Fury at that time? Yeah, come at me again.

[ELPacman]

Which in turn makes Usyk a bum for only being able to take a SD over Fury, and not being able to secure a ko. And of course AJ is a bum, for doing worse against Usyk than Fury (who we’ve already established as a bum) did.
So now weve established that all heavyweight fighters are bums in this thread.

Combine that with the underlying premise of this thread: believe in my opinion or you are unfit to be called a man, or be a fan of the sport. And we’ve got the epitome of social media here.

I'll take that. It is what it is. Boxing creates fans who produce more excuses than the fighters themselves. We can go triangle theory on all kinds of fighters and calling their best wins bum wins since that best win got beat by a bum, etc. etc. Got to love it. That said, only on the forum is their so much toxicity in this sport (well nowadays, you youngins don't know how much actual conversation about boxing was done in early 2000s on BS). Since social media explosion, the internet is mostly all toxicity and it only got worse here.

[Fanofreason]

If Wilder is so bad why did AJ duck him all those years. Wilder got old but made the most out of his career. Good for him for earning big paydays. He fought Fury 3 times and got off the deck to keep fighting. He showed my heart than a lot of fighters.

his punch took him so far and that’s all it is. Not sure the hate?

[Toffee]

If Wilder is so bad why did AJ duck him all those years. Wilder got old but made the most out of his career. Good for him for earning big paydays. He fought Fury 3 times and got off the deck to keep fighting. He showed my heart than a lot of fighters.

his punch took him so far and that’s all it is. Not sure the hate?

Mate, how are you still falling for this?

No-one ducked Wilder. The ducking allegations built into the myth. The man, the myth, the baddest man on the planet, the most devastating puncher in history.

None of that was true. He hit hard - but so do a lot of Heavyweights. The difference is that they don't reach and commit in the way Wilder did because their opponents have the quality to counter them. Heavyweights being built up always have high knockout percentages until they reach the upper echelons of the sport. Wilder just kept doing that for about 40 fights.

Everyone was happy to build the myth... But every decent fighter also wanted him because he was the best route to a title and a defining win.

Do you really think Fury, returning from obesity and drugs, would have gone straight into Joshua? There's no chance, but he joined and then jumped the queue to fight Wilder. Bold move, but he knew what everyone knew. He could beat Wilder and then proclaim he'd beaten the biggest hitter in the division.

I also say good on Wilder. He made a lot of money and status from middling ability. Credit where it's due. But he's massively over achieved thanks to being carefully guided by his handlers who knew they had to avoid anything that could derail him.

[War Room]

The Tuscaloosa bum lost and is basically retired. What are you so mad about? Do you just live to condescend to people?

I'm not mad at all, this is a time for celebration. Try this, why don't you quit following me around like some stumble bum attacking me at every chance you get. I never comment on your terrible posts, why do YOU always pop in to condescend ME? Funny how you accuse me of doing exactly what you're doing. I've complimented worthy posts, but the bottle down and stop following me.

Unlike you, I got ballz to go in on a fighter I enjoyed watching. No shame hiding it here. You probably drive with tints so nobody can see your fugly self. Confidence guy, right? Pacman didn't cherry pick anymore than any fighter you got their c*ck in your @ss. I don't care that Fury was keeping up with Wilder in their first fight. He had to go life and death with him and get a draw before the next two fights. Wlad at 41 was still 41. I don't care if he had a 50 win streak. How old was Fury at that time? Yeah, come at me again.

Ballz in, like what does that even mean? Drive with tints, WTH...where are you getting this stuff from?!?

You rep a fighter who Bruce Tramper and Top Rank cherry-picked his entire career - I find that appalling. Don't you feel the slightest bit ashamed at going "ballz in" on a fraud who was clearly cheating and has every lame excuse under the sun when he lost like his socks were too tight or he was woozy from a thimble full of blood. Mate, if a fighter I liked said he lost because his socks were too tight, I mean - are you serious ROFL???? The guy ran from Floyd for yeeeears lol. Then got dimainted, not even sure he won 2 rounds lmao. Embarrassed, looked like an amateur.

Pacquiao was a good fighter, I'll give him that, but a good fighter during a time of GREAT fighters. All his his notable wins are riddled with *'s. When Shane was knocking out Mayorga and Margarito Roach is on film at the Wild Card saying "we won't fight you Shane, you're too good". SSM gets DOMINATED by Floyd and got a draw gift against pretender Mora, they make the fight LMAO. That's Pacquiao's entire career when he was losing to JMM...facts.

I've met a lot of educated people from the Philippines and when I ask them if they like Pacquiao, they get real quiet and when pressed they have nothing but negative things to say about him and his politics. He's not well like by his own educated people, let that sink in for a minute.

Wilder won like 2 rounds in the first Fury fight, 3 max. How is that life & death?

Again, Vlad was dominating every young buck at that preserved age. On that 22 win streak only 6 made the distance, only Peter won some rounds, the rest - Vlad lost 1-2 rounds average. That is amazing! Against Fury, Vlad won 2 maybe 3 rounds. Fury danced on his face lmao!