Comments Thread For: Sensational Daniel Dubois Destroys Filip Hrgovic In Eight Violent Rounds

[James]

Hrgovic tried to force a KO by repeating the 1-2 combo over and over and over and over again. It's shocking that it landed as much as it did but Dubois could see it coming and that helps take off the edge of the power punch. And when Hrg felt he was getting tired he tried to force the KO even more before he tires and that didn't work because he is so damn predicable.

Have you ever been in sparring when you have to work more than you want to because your opponent applies pressure? You don't even notice it until you're already tired. And being tired at round 3 in a 12 round fight is a nightmare to any fighter. Hrgovic has looked very lethargic in his fights that went past the halfway point. I think he fell in love with his power that obviously is not what he thought it was. There is no way that a real power puncher cannot make Dubois blink twice. False confidence in his own abilities has led him to neglect his technique, defence and most obviously endurance training.

He is not as strong as he thought and he doesn't have the skills to pay the bills. He's done at 31 years old before he ever even really tried to go for it. Which is what many people here have been saying since the Molina fight. Hrgovic is like Joyce minus the engine.

I sign almost all that you wrote. If he decides to continue he must find trainer who has authority, who will make him listen, make him humble and also work on conditioning.

From round 1 his left hand was down, he did not protect him self at all. He was going for a KO with no other strategy.

[MaxSchmeling]

Hrgovic was definitely better in 6 rounds regardless of the bad strategy. The turning point was a deliberate headbutt and a cut. Quit Cheater Dumbois definitely did not deserve the victory that the doctor and the referee gave him. Total corruption!!!

In the fight between Dumbois and Usyk, the referee was crucial, as he could have made a different decision. The history of boxing would be completely different today.

[billeau2]

I'd like to see him try.

Hrgy took some shots that'd have AJ refusing to come forward from his corner and Doobie took some shots like he was channeling Prime Juggernaut. All in all that makes him far too risky for AJ.

I think the Princess would prefer something from the menu that is slightly more aged, with a little less gas in the tank, having an oriental flavour and providing a big bit of **** for his buck.

You make some good points. You got me thinking... I mean Dubois, I felt him... Used that old "Im crazy" strategy we used to use, when one had to just not give a fck. Told himself "this mfcr either will ice me, or I will ice him bcause I just do not give a fck." You could even see his corner screaming at him!

So the question hinges on whether AJ hits harder than the stiff Croat... Or whether Daniel just has that elite chin. But IF he makes Joshua shell up... Oh that would be an interesting fight indeed!

[billeau2]

How many legit HOFers do you see coming from this era ?

Plenty but that is because the Boxing HOF compared to baseball's or Football's HOF is like a local community college physics class compared to MIT. HOF just does not mean much... No disrespect to the accomplishment, but Gatti? Sylvester Stallone? The real mark of distinction imo is GOAT status... being short listed. And on that account? This era lacks severly.

[billeau2]

I understand head clashes and stray low blows happen, and yes, you are correct, I am accusing Dubois of intentional low blows and headbutts.

Honestly, it doesn't take away from his victory. He showed a great heart, chin, skill, and stamina. Like I said, I wanted him to win.

I was just pointing out a pattern I noticed with Dubois that he will fight dirty. He is a gentleman outside the ring but not so much inside.

Others in the thread said, well if you can get away with it, why not?

For me, as a fan of the sport, , I prefer clean fighters who stick to the rules and win, but I also understand it is a war in the ring and it is ultimately the responsibility of the ref to catch these things.

I don't know if he says to himself "I am going to try to use my head against the chops here I go" anymore than Beiter, or the stiff Croat say "I am trying to hit the brain stem for its effect with this rabbit punch."

Im amatuer fighting, there is a great stress on proper punching basics: hitting with the right area of the glove, targeting the body cleanly... This is good and prepares a fighter to have good form. But at the professional level, where sharper angles, more sophisticated tactics, and fighters have experience, it is assumed certain things happen occasionally.

The head weighs a good amount of weight and putting it forward is a great benefit when trying to cross the distance into an opponent. People turn to avoid punches, including coming forwards... There will be times when a clash happens, or a target on the glove that is not good makes contact because of movements.

Between total deliberation and simple physics is a whole gray area where one can assume a fighter allows, to various degrees, himself to use techniques that are considered dirty. It is almost impossible to pin point where in this grey area a fighter is.

[billeau2]

To those of you complaining about headbutting... have any of you tried to aggressively move forward into an opponent with good aerodynamics? Your head is like a weight... If I ask you to move in a direction your head can either be a vector plus, or minus concerning forward momentum.

So if you are aggressively coming forward, where is it optimum to put your head? Should one: politely ask for a time out and a guilitine? Shgould one stand in the distance area where you get tagged because your head may contact the opponent? Dubois put his head on the stiff croat's shoulder many times, for the SAME reason! Your fighting inside and where do you put your head?

A fighter has the right to come in with the head ahead of his body... If the other guy has a similar plan they can bump... Or if the opponent offers no resistance initially, the head can catch the forehead which is all skin and bone and therefore cuts like paper.

Aiming the head to hit the opponent is a different issue entirely.

[4truth]

You make some good points. You got me thinking... I mean Dubois, I felt him... Used that old "Im crazy" strategy we used to use, when one had to just not give a fck. Told himself "this mfcr either will ice me, or I will ice him bcause I just do not give a fck." You could even see his corner screaming at him!

So the question hinges on whether AJ hits harder than the stiff Croat... Or whether Daniel just has that elite chin. But IF he makes Joshua shell up... Oh that would be an interesting fight indeed!

After the big right will come the big left hook. When Dubois leads with his head AJ will meet that with an upper cut. Hrgovic's jab was seldom better than a range finder, Joyce ruined Dubois with just a jab. Joshua's jab may not be on the same level that Wlad's was but it's still a better weapon than Joyce's

So many ways Dubois is vulnerable and AJ has a tool to exploit each of them. Hrgovic's tool bag had a straight right, and not much more.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Ya'll don't worry, I'm not going to make anybody eat too much crow in a couple of years from now when Doobie ( nod to Pollywog) is sitting on all four belts. Just remember , you heard it here first.

[Iron Fister]

I don't know if he says to himself "I am going to try to use my head against the chops here I go" anymore than Beiter, or the stiff Croat say "I am trying to hit the brain stem for its effect with this rabbit punch."

Im amatuer fighting, there is a great stress on proper punching basics: hitting with the right area of the glove, targeting the body cleanly... This is good and prepares a fighter to have good form. But at the professional level, where sharper angles, more sophisticated tactics, and fighters have experience, it is assumed certain things happen occasionally.

The head weighs a good amount of weight and putting it forward is a great benefit when trying to cross the distance into an opponent. People turn to avoid punches, including coming forwards... There will be times when a clash happens, or a target on the glove that is not good makes contact because of movements.

Between total deliberation and simple physics is a whole gray area where one can assume a fighter allows, to various degrees, himself to use techniques that are considered dirty. It is almost impossible to pin point where in this grey area a fighter is.

Thank you for this articulate explanation on the topic.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

I don‘t know what fight you guys were watching but from my perspective Hrgovic was kicking Dubois’ ass.

He hit him with some of the hardest right hand punches that I’ve ever seen. Hrgovic just punched himself out for his inability to put him away that’s all.

Boxing fans often like to question the size of Dubois’ balls. Well tonight they were the size of watermelons.

Hrgovic was hitting Dubois with some nice right hands , but they were having no effect on The Big Doobie. Clearly the war of attrition was far worse for Hrgovic than Doobie. The proof is in the pudding. Hrgovic is the one who ended up all but knocked out. The Doctor did him the favor that his corner should have in between rounds , Hrgovic was getting years beat off of his life by the end of the fight.