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  • Originally posted by Smash View Post

    They could use these guys, every batch tested they say

    https://sport.wetestyoutrust.com/

    or

    USADA currently recognizes NSF Certified for SportŪ as the program best suited for athletes to reduce the risk from supplements.
    Luckily there are private consumer advocates... For years Ralph nader, And consumer testing. You now have internet testers that do a great job as well, fortunately that is the other side of the coin.

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    • Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

      All the while, as you say, everyone knows that guys are popping left and right...
      :
      im not sure if im convinced that every top athlete is taking illegals, some are for sure but not all i would say or maybe all are who knows but it seems unlikely to me

      the only way to know would be 365 testing i suppose, i dont know if bio passports type of things work which track your levels of 'stuff' & watch out for changes

      but having said that, we must distinguish between those caught with illegals and those not caught, those caught are more like to be cheating than those not caught i would say

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      • Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

        Supplements are, in the States, very poorly regulated. They have found all kinds of "stuff" in them.
        Same thing in UK.

        It's a problem.

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        • Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

          Check the other thread out with the documentry in it


          Something really stinks of rat about this especially Devins younger brother not being able to contain himself and ssying that allah came to him and told him ryan was going to pop dirty like 10 days before anyone else knew
          Its obvious the young guy overheard a "plan" and just couldnt contain himself

          Also al you guys should check out this video hes a steroid specialist and hes basically clearing ryan of willingly cheating and is certain its contamination...this guy is well respected in that field
          https://youtu.be/6AyCpDJQ3Kc?si=SKMtU8K6l5zRISfe
          Not to mention the amount of mma fighters who have popped for ostarine but most if not all were able to prove it was a result of contaminated products and usually were given 6-18month suspensions. Apparently ostarine contamination is surprisingly common occurrence in the supplement industry. Also as per the fantastic and informative video you linked the amounts he would had to have taken to get those levels in his blood are so miniscule that contamination seems like the most likely cause considering he didn't have enough in his system to actually get any physical benefits from it. And to those who say it shouldn't matter the amount, having it makes him a cheat, I would really encourage them to do some more research on PEDS and their efficacy (effectiveness) levels or at the very least watch the video because it explains clearly why ostarine wouldn't be something a wealthy athlete with access to the best doctors and PED's would even bother taking. P.S. It's hard to take an trainer or athlete seriously when they cry about someone else taking PEDS when u work with Victor Conte and we have seen ur body transform (D.H. got considerably thicker and more muscular in a fairly short amount of time, since anouncing he was leaving 135 to go to 140, which he already seems to have outgrown after just 2 fights) and u claim to be able rehydrate 25lbs in 24hrs (which would be15% of his total bodyweight)without any IV use or some sort of PEDS is very hard to believe
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          • Originally posted by remmy0112 View Post

            Not to mention the amount of mma fighters who have popped for ostarine but most if not all were able to prove it was a result of contaminated products and usually were given 6-18month suspensions. Apparently ostarine contamination is surprisingly common occurrence in the supplement industry. Also as per the fantastic and informative video you linked the amounts he would had to have taken to get those levels in his blood are so miniscule that contamination seems like the most likely cause considering he didn't have enough in his system to actually get any physical benefits from it. And to those who say it shouldn't matter the amount, having it makes him a cheat, I would really encourage them to do some more research on PEDS and their efficacy (effectiveness) levels or at the very least watch the video because it explains clearly why ostarine wouldn't be something a wealthy athlete with access to the best doctors and PED's would even bother taking. P.S. It's hard to take an trainer or athlete seriously when they cry about someone else taking PEDS when u work with Victor Conte and we have seen ur body transform (D.H. got considerably thicker and more muscular in a fairly short amount of time, since anouncing he was leaving 135 to go to 140, which he already seems to have outgrown after just 2 fights) and u claim to be able rehydrate 25lbs in 24hrs (which would be15% of his total bodyweight)without any IV use or some sort of PEDS is very hard to believe
            I agree with basically everything you say here.

            Although it's worth noting, miniscule amounts detected doesn't mean that minuscule amounts were being used, just that they aren't detectable.

            Ostarine is a strange choice with the options out there but it's not outside the realms of possibility for him to be using that. Some people would rather go the SARM route as opposed to taking real potent gear for whatever reason, which I think it real dumb myself. I'm not a fan of SARMS in general.

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            • Originally posted by Smash View Post

              im not sure if im convinced that every top athlete is taking illegals, some are for sure but not all i would say or maybe all are who knows but it seems unlikely to me

              the only way to know would be 365 testing i suppose, i dont know if bio passports type of things work which track your levels of 'stuff' & watch out for changes

              but having said that, we must distinguish between those caught with illegals and those not caught, those caught are more like to be cheating than those not caught i would say
              It depends... Standards of proof: OJ beat a murder rap but civil court has a more lax standard of proof, hence he was guilty. There is a certain look that many identify as a "user." Other qualities as well... I do not claim to know if these are proof. We do know that athletes are driven, the social networks that work to supply goods and services (not necessarily roids) to athletes. We also know that social drug use can be rampant... Baseball, c ocaine and chewing Tobacco.

              I don't know percentages but it looks like boxing athletes are driven to get any edge. I think a lot of guys do cycle and use... I can't say I can prove it, it is merely an opinion. But yeah of course proven guilty is different than guilty until proven innocent.

              I look at the big picture: There are some really good drugs out there that can speed healing, help us recover, and as a citizen I have access to many of these drugs. Yet as a professional athlete, even for recovery these substances cannot be used. Thats screwy enough that I would not consider it cheating if after a fight I took some steroidal preparations to heal... If somneone said "take it up until this date" I probably would. A lot of stuff people have no understanding of. Most people do not even know what a steroid technically is.

              These substances do not come into our bodies and start restructuring us into beasts, many things we take, including some steroidals are catalysts that facilitate our endocrine system to message our bodies to increase production, grow, etc. My point is, there are a lot of different nutritional aspects that help us get better and at a certain point, what is legal, and illegal, gets blurred. Vitamins and nutritional stuff (legal) acts in similar fashion... Are they illegal JUST because they are less effective? Rhetorical question.

              Last edited by billeau2; 05-27-2024, 05:36 PM.
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              • Originally posted by champion4ever
                It's very possible that he can potentially be tried, convicted and serve a prison sentence over this offense.
                ;
                lol

                Free Ryan Garcia

                I can see it now

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                • Originally posted by Smash View Post

                  lol

                  Free Ryan Garcia

                  I can see it now
                  I am not saying that the commission will but it has happened before back in 1983; In the Resto/Collins/Lewis case. In the very same jurisdiction as this one; The NYSAC.
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                  • Originally posted by Nightfall View Post
                    The protocol procedure isn’t shady and he had the shtt in his system no matter the amount.
                    Oh definitely I agree with that 100% I didn’t mean to insinuate the testing wasn’t legit

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