Comments Thread For: Bill Haney Calls for Ryan Garcia to Be Hit With Lifetime Ban From Boxing

[billeau2]

That's possible, yeah.

It's all just guess work though isn't it.

Ryan will present his case and they'll make their decision. There's no real logic behind this.

My view on it is; PED's in your system = Ban.

There is no excuse for it, contamination included.

If there is no way to truly know HOW (it gets into the system) then anyone can claim it was an accident. They really have no choice but to assume if it is in your system you are responsible. There might be exceptional circumstances but they should be very exceptional lol.

[elfag]

ostarine is so ***ing mild of a PED, this whole thing is ****** being they all use PEDs ryan just got caught and for a mild one.

[elfag]

Because the drug he was cleared for was Nandrolone, which is a 19-Nortestosterone, meaning it's derivative of testosterone. When used to enhance performance unnaturally is it synthetically made. But, because it's a derivative of testosterone I.e endogenously produced, the body can produce it naturally. So when Ryan flagged for it, they had to take it to further testing to see if it was naturally produced or synthetically taken and they concluded that it wasn't synthetically taken, thus he was cleared for that. I have my opinions on that, not sure I all the way agree with that conclusion but it's yet another case of being impossible to truly conclude.

Ostarine however, is a selective androgen receptor modulator also known as a "SARM" which are not produced naturally in your body and can only enter it by being ingested. Whether that be intentionally, or unintentionally, both are more than possible. And that's what they're trying to figure out now.

Apparently DHEA supplements can cause false positives for Deca/nadrolone according to one of the youtube PED wizards. So I guess that got cleared.

Ostarine is very mild, its also orally taken and anyone could spike a drink with it. The whole thing is dumb because all these guys use PEDs. Look at Billie Joe Saunders talking trash about Canelo saying he should be banned for life and then he gets popped for a nasal decongestant which was considered a PED, taste of his own medicine on that one then of course he had all his excuses after saying anyone who fails a test should be banned for life.

[IronDanHamza]

If there is no way to truly know HOW (it gets into the system) then anyone can claim it was an accident. They really have no choice but to assume if it is in your system you are responsible. There might be exceptional circumstances but they should be very exceptional lol.

Yep, precisely. That's the massive problem we have and why it's just essentially a get out of jail free card for anyone who fails a drug test. Contamination is an issue, so it's a built in excuse for anyone who does pop.

Unless you are incredibly careless and outright foolish like Jarrel Miller but he's in the 1%, the overwhelming majority fail with trace amounts.

There is no excuse for having a PED in your system. I say this all the time and I say it to every tested person I work with, don't buy over the counter supplements. The risk drastically outweighs the reward. If you don't, you won't pop for anything, simple.

[Smash]

Apparently DHEA supplements can cause false positives for Deca/nadrolone according to one of the youtube PED wizards. So I guess that got cleared.

Ostarine is very mild, its also orally taken and anyone could spike a drink with it. The whole thing is dumb because all these guys use PEDs. Look at Billie Joe Saunders talking trash about Canelo saying he should be banned for life and then he gets popped for a nasal decongestant which was considered a PED, taste of his own medicine on that one then of course he had all his excuses after saying anyone who fails a test should be banned for life.

the slightly funny thing about billy hoes thing is that

"Under World Anti-Doping Agency and UK Anti-Doping rules, oxilofrine is only banned in competition, meaning a fighter is only in breach of rules if the substance is detected in his system on the day of the fight"

now i dont know what that really means, if the drug is less serious and some allowances are made in some places but its a bit weird 2 different rule sets, not sure if it played any part in his issues tho

on another note, alexander povetkin was busted for ostarine in 2016

[IronDanHamza]

the slightly funny thing about billy hoes thing is that

"Under World Anti-Doping Agency and UK Anti-Doping rules, oxilofrine is only banned in competition, meaning a fighter is only in breach of rules if the substance is detected in his system on the day of the fight"

now i dont know what that really means, if the drug is less serious and some allowances are made in some places but its a bit weird 2 different rule sets, not sure if it played any part in his issues tho

on another note, alexander povetkin was busted for ostarine in 2016

Amir Khan also popped for Ostarine.

[billeau2]

Yep, precisely. That's the massive problem we have and why it's just essentially a get out of jail free card for anyone who fails a drug test. Contamination is an issue, so it's a built in excuse for anyone who does pop.

Unless you are incredibly careless and outright foolish like Jarrel Miller but he's in the 1%, the overwhelming majority fail with trace amounts.

There is no excuse for having a PED in your system. I say this all the time and I say it to every tested person I work with, don't buy over the counter supplements. The risk drastically outweighs the reward. If you don't, you won't pop for anything, simple.

Supplements are, in the States, very poorly regulated. They have found all kinds of "stuff" in them.

[Smash]

Supplements are, in the States, very poorly regulated. They have found all kinds of "stuff" in them.

They could use these guys, every batch tested they say

https://sport.wetestyoutrust.com/

or

USADA currently recognizes NSF Certified for Sport® as the program best suited for athletes to reduce the risk from supplements.

[billeau2]

ostarine is so ***ing mild of a PED, this whole thing is ****** being they all use PEDs ryan just got caught and for a mild one.

So somewhere in some court room as we are typing away, some kid did something dumb, got caught... then judge has to decide whether to save the kid "This time ill be lenient, but not next time..." or to think about all the kids who will be in the same situation, but for sending a clear message and making an example of the kid in front of him, or the next kid after...

It is a hard place to be because the drug testing authorities do better if people have incentive not to use, but here is a guy with a relatively basic substance in his system. Do you make an example of him? Do you try to make the punishment fit the crime in terms of severity? All the while, as you say, everyone knows that guys are popping left and right...
Just a real rhetorical hard place to be...

[billeau2]

They could use these guys, every batch tested they say

https://sport.wetestyoutrust.com/

or

USADA currently recognizes NSF Certified for Sport® as the program best suited for athletes to reduce the risk from supplements.

Luckily there are private consumer advocates... For years Ralph nader, And consumer testing. You now have internet testers that do a great job as well, fortunately that is the other side of the coin.