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  • Originally posted by rao007 View Post
    And when is the last time Pacquiao low blowed somebody?
    I don't know about lowblows but I do know about headbutts. He did it to JMM on the second a few times until he caught him with a good one and opened the cut on his head. That **** looks so intentional as he was getting frustrated after being tattoed by JMM but of course he is pacman and he doesn't gets criticize for it. I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to headbutt cotto when he gets in trouble. Roach needs to shut the **** up cause same **** can be said about pac.

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    • Roach gets more annoying by the day.

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      • Originally posted by rao007 View Post
        As I recall, Cotto himself said during the NY conference (which could be found on youtube) that weight will NOT be an issue. Again, Cotto signed the contract, and in another interview he said he felt confident of winning as soon as he signed it. Hmmmmmm..
        Cotto is a fighter who doesnt use excuses, ever thought of that. When Marg got caught with the plaster Cotto always insisted Marg won fair and square. In his head Cotto knows he cheated, so just because Cotto said that the weight wont affect him, hes fighting for the biggest paycheck of his life of career, he knows going down was the only way he could fight Manny, and unlike Roach Miguel doesnt use excuses.

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        • Originally posted by AssasinKing View Post
          Since when were deliberate fouls allowed...

          He just doesnt want pac getting low blowed 5 times lol
          If you want to talk about deliberate foulers, talk about Hopkins. Or Roberto Duran. Or Tszyu. All masters at getting away with deliberate fouls. Cotto isn't in that category at all.

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          • Dondi330: Roach, shut the hell up already!
            This has to be a record for a trainer talking too damn much.
            Just another reason Cotto should KO Pac

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            • Originally posted by Dave Rado View Post
              Don't be daft. The underdog often wins. Just because he may win isn't a reason why he shouldn't go into the fight as the underdog.
              To me, if you were a boxing fan--you shouldnt' look at the Hatton, Oscar Delahoya fight as a measuring stick of how well Pacquiao will do against Cotto. That's absurd reasoning. He's still a JWW with one WW fight. Are Cotto fans trying to psych themselves up or something?




              They both have advantages. Pacquiao has blinding speed, very unpredictable movement, and the footwork to move in and out of range before the opponent can get set. Cotto has a weight advantage (but not a huge one, they're only separated by one weight division now); a superb hook, excellent jab, great counter-punching ability, and very good timing. Both have superb accuracy and good power. They're more or less the same height as each other.

              IMO, it's a pick 'em fight. The analysts who favour Pacquiao mostly do so because think that Cotto isn't the same fighter since the Margarito fight. They could be wrong, but you can't say that they're definitely wrong until we've seen him against Pacquiao.

              Also, many of them are basing their prediction partly on his performance against Clottey, but there I do agree that it's irrational to do so, because almost no one could perform impressively if they were blind in one eye for 9 out of 12 rounds.

              In any case, very few analysts have made a prediction yet. The betting odds favour Pacquiao, but betting odds are set by the punters, not by experts. We'll see what the experts predict closer to the fight. My guess is that most of the experts will agree that it's a pick 'em fight.
              I'll bring up the size argument that so many of his fans like to use. Cotto has only been taken to the depths by huge WW fighters in Cottey, Margarito, and to a lesser extent Mosley, which Cotto faded somewhat in the later rounds.

              As you commented, no-one should use the Clottey fight to prognosticate what will happen on Nov. 14, and by doing so, we should base the possible advantages based on Cotto's body of work. He's been able to nuetralize speedy fighters in Mosley and Zab Judah with consistent pressure, strength, and timing.

              Pundits may not have given their preidctions but it's quite obvious that on paper--Cotto has the advantages against Pacquiao.

              In my opinion, Pacquiao is the underdog here.

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              • What an ass clown Roachclips is turning out to be. Oh!!! No low blows!! Oh!!! no Joe Cortez!!! OHHHHH if Manny loses I just don't know what I'm going to do!!!

                Somebody needs to shoot his ass up with some Restoril, he is beginning to get very annoying.

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                • Man i want pacman to get ktfo so bad! That way all the hype simmers down

                  Man i have never wanted someone to get knocked out so bad like the way i want pacman to get ko. Freddie roach is just that a fugin roach. Forgeting the cotto fight i want to see manny fight marquez again. The 2nd fight marquez won clearly. Freddie shut up and put manny againts the best at 140lbs. That way there are no excuses.

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                  • Originally posted by periks19 View Post
                    I don't know about lowblows but I do know about headbutts. He did it to JMM on the second a few times until he caught him with a good one and opened the cut on his head. That **** looks so intentional as he was getting frustrated after being tattoed by JMM but of course he is pacman and he doesn't gets criticize for it. I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to headbutt cotto when he gets in trouble. Roach needs to shut the **** up cause same **** can be said about pac.
                    Please. If you look it again both fighters were going in at the same time, it is an orthodox against and southpaw afterall. Cotto is not a dirty fighter but his fouls do happen quite a bit. It's two-fold in reason: 1.) he is both aggressive and hunches his head a lot like Pacquiao, so headbuts happen and 2.) he is a body puncher so low-blows could occur. So it's not surprising he gets frustrated when he gets cuts and starts fouling, slamming, lifting his opponents. Clottey even admits Cotto does get rough in there.

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                    • Originally posted by rao007 View Post
                      To me, if you were a boxing fan--you shouldnt' look at the Hatton, Oscar Delahoya fight as a measuring stick of how well Pacquiao will do against Cotto. That's absurd reasoning. He's still a JWW with one WW fight. Are Cotto fans trying to psych themselves up or something?
                      One weight class isn't a huge jump. Hatton isn't in Cotto's class, but the manner in which Pacquiao destroyed the man who was universally ranked #1 at that weight was very impressive. Of course that doesn't mean he can beat Cotto, but you can't say that performance was completely irrelevant. It proved that he's a legitimate elite Junior Welterweight - which was in doubt before that fight. And it proved that he hadn't lost any of his speed or power as a result of moving up to Junior Welterweight. And one weight class isn't a huge jump. It's not even a proper weight class (as in the original eight). It's not like Armstrong weighing 133lb when he won the Welterweight title. It's only a jump from Junior Welterweight to Welterweight. And it's not even that, because it's at catchweight.

                      Originally posted by rao007 View Post
                      I'll bring up the size argument that so many of his fans like to use. Cotto has only been taken to the depths by huge WW fighters in Cottey, Margarito, and to a lesser extent Mosley, which Cotto faded somewhat in the later rounds.
                      Rubbish. He was taken to the depths by Torres. He also struggled for the first half of the Judah fight. And he'll be facing a style he's never faced before.

                      Mosley is very fast and very powerful, but doesn't have Pacquiao's lateral movement or footwork. And he wasn't at his best the night he fought Cotto, in the opinion of most people. And Judah is simply not in Pacquiao's class.
                      Last edited by Dave Rado; 10-12-2009, 04:20 PM.

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