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  • Originally posted by BoxingScribe View Post
    I was at that Clottey fight and when Cotto was in trouble, he went low and threw Clottey to the ground. That's just how he gets when he is in trouble. It's dirty, but it's smart. With that being said, he is STILL going to knock Manny out.
    No no no, Cotto wasnt in trouble, he had put Clottey in the corner, then CLOTTEY was in trouble therefore climbed on Cotto's sshoulder, what are u guys talkin about? Cotto has a good sportsmanship, idk what ppl r talkin about.

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    • Landing more punches in a fight doesn't necessarily mean you won. You can hit me with 100 jabs in one round and I clock you hard and good, you lose the round. A fight as close as Mosley-Cotto cannot be called a robbery! When a fight can swing one point either way how is that a robbery? A robbery is winning 8 out of 12 rounds and losing a split decision. Mosley didn't win 8 rounds and neither did Cotto. Personally, I thought Mosley pulled it out but it was really close and I didn't have any argument with the close decision.

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      • Originally posted by Gabilan View Post
        I was there as well, he threw Cottley down for the same reason he threw Urkal down (and I was there for that one as well): Both were doing their best Holyfield interpretations and headbutting his cut and Cotto always reacts angrily to that and responds by trying to show who the stronger man is.

        Cotto is not a dirty fighter per se, he's just a brawler.
        LoL, i like this Post, Co-Sign!!!

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        • Originally posted by Iceta View Post
          What about the time that Cotto intentionally hit Clottey in the back of the head during the last round? Hell, Margarito was the one who got low blowed by Clottey, and he still beat him more decisively than Cotto did.
          Did you not see how many times Clottey held Cotto's arms so Cotto wouldnt keep hitting him? who wouldnt get frustrated n do sumthin like that? **** id slam him.

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          • Originally posted by Iceta View Post
            What about the time that Cotto intentionally hit Clottey in the back of the head during the last round? Hell, Margarito was the one who got low blowed by Clottey, and he still beat him more decisively than Cotto did.
            Maybe because Margacheato didn't get hit with an "unintentional" headbutt that caused a cut. That cut was the only reason Clottey was able to tag Cotto as much as he did. Cotto showed a lot of heart by finishing the fight when it could've been stopped after 4 rds. giving him the win. On the hit behind the head, I think that after all the dirty tactics Clottey used, he actually deserved more.

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            • I find it hilarious you think pointing out the fact that a fighter throws DELIBERATE low blows to the ref constitutes bitching. Yes, Cotto is a body puncher, and yes accidental low blows do happen. Doesn't change the fact that Roach is correct in pointing out Cotto's use of low blows to stop momentum, or disrupt a fighter. Have any of you seen the Judah fight? If so, you're fooling yourself to say the low blows were "accidental". You probably think Golota shouldn't have been DQ'd for the low blows he "accidentally" threw at Bowe.

              Judah was outboxing, outpointing, and all around frustrating Cotto, and those repeated blows took the steam out of him. After he got hit, Judah was reluctant to throw, and ultimately got KO'd. But you're right, accidental lowblows happen. Roach is in his right as Pac's trainer to do what he can to ensure it is a FAIR fight. Similar to his fight against Clottey, Cotto was frustrated and got dirty with him. Reality is accidental butts, punches and hits land. And so do deliberate ones.

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              • Originally posted by Boxeo_Boricua View Post
                Maybe because Margacheato didn't get hit with an "unintentional" headbutt that caused a cut. That cut was the only reason Clottey was able to tag Cotto as much as he did. Cotto showed a lot of heart by finishing the fight when it could've been stopped after 4 rds. giving him the win. On the hit behind the head, I think that after all the dirty tactics Clottey used, he actually deserved more.
                What about going into the fight with a bad ankle? I don't care for Margarito, but you Cotto stans act like Cotto is the only fighter on earth who has to fight through adversity. Margarito beat Clottey more convingingly than Cotto did. Can I be anymore clear than that?

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                • Originally posted by prsi View Post
                  1st of all, I agree with Roach when he say's Joe Cortez should not be refeering this fight. Joe has PuertoRican blood running thru him although i beleive in his professionalism it would help to avoid any type of controversy. But did Roach had to go public and talk about and disrespect a Ref like he did, NO. That showed low class. He could have mad a written request to the comision and the promoters. For that Matter even the judges for the fight should be American, European or any nationality that is not Puerto Rican or Phillipines but be more classy about it.

                  Regarding the "dirty tactics" of Cotto, all body puncher will have problems every once in a while with low blows. i mean we are talking inches away from what can be considered a body punch to a low blow, and all of this ois happening when you are receiving and throwing punches and you and your opponents are in constant movements. Same as when boxers throw punches at the head and miss by more than 6 inches without thee head even moving. They don't miss intentionally. Yes, Cotto hit Zab with a couple (not 5) of low blows, but to call hima dirty fighter is ridiculous.
                  The fact is that it is part of boxing and if Freddie is aware of it.

                  If Freddie is trying to get in Cotto's head, Cotto is too much a professional to fall for that.
                  If Freddie's worried of a low blow, he should pick another sport.
                  If Freddie is worried abot Cotto, he should had picked another opponent.

                  The fact is that Cotto and Pacman haven't even talked and are so willing and waiting for this fight with no complains have been heard from neither of them.

                  Freddie should just shut up and get his fighter ready for the fight!!!!
                  Great post.

                  I agree that he talks to the media far too much about things that are best kept private.

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                  • Originally posted by ~Alar~ View Post
                    First of all Cotto is probably the best body-puncher of recent decades... Those who ever stepped into the ring and tried to work to the body know that it happens sometimes...

                    And, yes, props to mr. Roach for his observation - Cotto always works to the "beads" when it is tough for him - just remember how he low-blowed Margarito in 7th and 11th - the toughest rounds of his career... Oh, wait a minute, did he???

                    Now watch this: (sorry, couldn`t find a better vid)


                    First low blow comes at 5:46 - look: Cotto throws a left hook, when his head is behind Judah`s... It was a "blind" punch... Yeh! It really sucks that Cotto is so precise at throwing blind low blows, but connects only 30-35% of his regular shots, when is actually watching at the target...

                    The second low blow is showed at 6:00... Just before Cotto throws that uppercut he gets hit to the back of his head, which turns his head 90 degrees... I can asume that, THAT hit could "slightly" knock Cotto of his sight...

                    P.S. to sum up - i don`t find Cotto a dirty boxer. Even more, i find him a very brave boxer, who takes challenges, and is gutsy enough not to turn his "stool mode" on, and capable of fighting for half an hour with blood pouring from his eyebrow into his eye... I think the sport of boxing needs more fighters like Cotto, Pacquaio, Marquez brothers and Izzy Vasquez!

                    And i find it a shame that, probably, ATG trainer (personally i find him overrated, i think Manny created Roach not vice versa) calles, hypothetically, the ATG fighter a "dirty" one...
                    Great post except the bit about Roach being over-rated as a trainer. He's transformed Manny, and his game plans (which are devised by Roach, not by Manny, although Manny executes them brilliantly), are usually spot on. He's also transformed Amir Khan to the point where he's barely recognisable as the fighter of a year ago.

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                    • Miguel Low blowtto......

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