Dan Rafael: Canelo Alvarez decided to part ways with PBC after turning down a Guaranteed 35 million vs Jermall Charlo as PBC included an agreement that Canelo must face David Benavidez in September

[STREET CLEANER]

Looks like for Canelo a showdown against Berlanga is next. I want to see how Eddie is going to sales this.

[Stab Master Arson]

Looks like Benny's biggest win is actually turning Alvarez into an absolute coward.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Making it difficult doesn’t absolve manny from turning it down. ODH made it difficult for Floyd, he took it.

OK, but Canelo didn’t make Benavidez an offer for more money than he ever made. Floyd did that with Manny on at least 2 occasions.

You can’t really compare the two because Floyd actively tried to fight Manny. Canelo has not done this with Benavidez.

If Canelo does offer and Benavidez turns it down, that would be a fair comparison.

yes it does! that's why it's called negotiating!! then after that floyd just bucked on any request and said he doesnt wanna fight pac anymore. then years later, when floyd feel it's the right time, he started calling pac out again. like i said, you can feel how you want but me including 32903204392049029402942 other people also felt the same that floyd is making it hard. even pro football players irvin came out and said floyd is avoiding pac, rapper 50 cent, etc...

[The Big Dunn]

yes it does! that's why it's called negotiating!! then after that floyd just bucked on any request and said he doesnt wanna fight pac anymore. then years later, when floyd feel it's the right time, he started calling pac out again. like i said, you can feel how you want but me including 32903204392049029402942 other people also felt the same that floyd is making it hard. even pro football players irvin came out and said floyd is avoiding pac, rapper 50 cent, etc...

You’re making excuses for a boxer you like. Cool. Manny was going to make more than he ever made before. That is a fact.

Whatever you think about it, Canelo has not offered Benavidez, Benavidez hasn’t turned an offer down, so the situations can’t be compared imo.

We don’t disagree in making it hard. That doesn’t change the fact from above that it was more than he had ever made, that Manny turned it down, that Canelo has not offered Benavidez and that Benavidez hasn’t turned an offer down.

At this point I am only going to discuss the thread topic. I am not going to discuss Floyd v Manny anymore.

[IceTrayDaGang]

You’re making excuses for a boxer you like. Cool. Manny was going to make more than he ever made before. That is a fact.

Whatever you think about it, Canelo has not offered Benavidez, Benavidez hasn’t turned an offer down, so the situations can’t be compared imo.

We don’t disagree in making it hard. That doesn’t change the fact from above that it was more than he had ever made, that Manny turned it down, that Canelo has not offered Benavidez and that Benavidez hasn’t turned an offer down.

At this point I am only going to discuss the thread topic. I am not going to discuss Floyd v Manny anymore.

what excuses??? floyd made it hard then fought pac when he wanted too... im not the only one who feels this way and i posted my backings!

this is about canelo... i dont have any issue with him following floyd's blueprint, i just dont get why the floyd fans is throwing shade at canelo but when floyd did it, they call it being the a-side, you can do what you want...

[The Big Dunn]

what excuses??? floyd made it hard then fought pac when he wanted too... im not the only one who feels this way and i posted my backings!

this is about canelo... i dont have any issue with him following floyd's blueprint, i just dont get why the floyd fans is throwing shade at canelo but when floyd did it, they call it being the a-side, you can do what you want...

Canelo didn’t make Benavidez any offers. Benavidez hasn’t turned any down.

You keep comparing this to another boxer that made multiple offers that all got turned down.

You’re making a false comparison.

[IceTrayDaGang]

canelo didn’t make benavidez any offers. Benavidez hasn’t turned any down.

You keep comparing this to another boxer that made multiple offers that all got turned down.

You’re making a false comparison.

a-side.

4 of floyd’s biggest non conor fights- odh, cotto, manny and shane all happened because of the opponent waiting.

Well not cotto that was bob.

The 5th- canelo- you guys claimed he fought too early.

But hey manny got more than $40 mil no ppv for turning the fight down so all his fans should be happy,

oops his cowardice got rewarded with the ko of the decade and $28 mil with the bulk of the ppv.

[IceTrayDaGang]

canelo didn’t make benavidez any offers. Benavidez hasn’t turned any down.

You keep comparing this to another boxer that made multiple offers that all got turned down.

You’re making a false comparison.

shade, thats not true. Lets say it was, since manny just tried to make a catchweight fight with cotto for a rematch instead of fighting floyd. Using the logic in this post, does that mean he is afraid of floyd?

Mayweather is treating pac like an opponent. Where as pac isnt the opponent. manny is the opponent, floyd is treating manny the same way srl made hearns wait 2 years, hagler 5 years, and fought duran while he let the hearns fight "marinate". do you remember this? Floyd has also fought bigger fighters, most recently cotto, not at a cw like manny.

Besides what does 8 titles have to do with anything? Manny is getting treated like hearns/duran/ hagler were. The difference is they wanted to fight srl so they accepted the offers they got. Oh yeah srl retired too. Did that mean he was afraid of hagler?

Was srl afraid of hearns because he made him wait? Of course not, it was a business decision, same as floyd.

a-side

[daggum]

You’re making excuses for a boxer you like. Cool. Manny was going to make more than he ever made before. That is a fact.

Whatever you think about it, Canelo has not offered Benavidez, Benavidez hasn’t turned an offer down, so the situations can’t be compared imo.

We don’t disagree in making it hard. That doesn’t change the fact from above that it was more than he had ever made, that Manny turned it down, that Canelo has not offered Benavidez and that Benavidez hasn’t turned an offer down.

At this point I am only going to discuss the thread topic. I am not going to discuss Floyd v Manny anymore.

your arguments make no sense.

40 million is more than pacs ever made? guess what a 50-50 split would have been more than floyds ever made too. by a huge margin. floyd turned down 200 million or more. why dont you ever frame it as floyd turning down his highest payday by changing the terms? you always put the onus on pac to do whatever floyd wants even if its insane. manny was going to make 40 million to floyds 360 million? you cant defend that. thats a duck. especially given their popularity...

if you look at the numbers pac was actually more popular than floyd at the point in which floyd made the 40 million flat offer. floyd made that offer in january of 2012. if you look at floyds last 3 fights floyd generated 3.65 million ppv buys. 1.25 vs ortiz. 1.4 vs mosley. 1 vs marquez. pac generated 3.89 million ppv buys in his 3 last fights at that time. 1.15 vs margarito. 1.34 vs mosley. 1.4 million vs marquez 3.

a 50-50 split seemed more than fair. also to go from a 50-50 split to a 90-10 split in floyds favor? you dont find that strange at all? years later when they eventually fought the split was only 60-40 in floyds favor so how does floyd go from 50-50 to 90-10 against a guy on his level in popularity? you will never be able to answer that with a response that makes sense and you know that. this wasnt trying to make a few more bucks quibbling over the purse split. this was killing the fight.

[daggum]

Making it difficult doesn’t absolve manny from turning it down. ODH made it difficult for Floyd, he took it.

OK, but Canelo didn’t make Benavidez an offer for more money than he ever made. Floyd did that with Manny on at least 2 occasions.

You can’t really compare the two because Floyd actively tried to fight Manny. Canelo has not done this with Benavidez.

If Canelo does offer and Benavidez turns it down, that would be a fair comparison.

we arent going to subscribe to your framing though. its wrong and misguided. why is floyd absolved from turning down 200 million dollars to fight manny? thats his career high is it not? you keep focusing on manny not taking a sh-it deal instead of admonishing floyd for not taking a great deal!

hoya made it difficult? well lets see hoya was at least 2 times the ppv star of floyd at that point in time. hoya did 875 buys vs mayorga and 1 million vs hopkins. floyd did 325 vs baldmoir and 375 vs judah. guess what the split was for hoya-floyd? 67-33 for hoya. floyd actually got a good deal there but of course your framing is all wrong and not based on reality so you frame it as floyd going out of his way to make the fight. he did not. he was offered a good deal based on their status and took it. 50-50 for floyd-pac was a good deal based on their status and floyd said no i want 90 percent or more! when pac was actually slightly outselling him at that point. utter insanity.

also back to your poor framing. you keep saying pac turned down 40 million and only made 26 against bradley so he lost out on a lot of money right? guess who also lost out on a lot of money? his name is "floyd mayweather" lets frame it the other way shall we? floyd turned down 200 million(or more) and only made 32 against cotto. after turning down the sh-it floyd offer pac made 65 percent of it by making 26 million. by turning down a 50-50 split and 200 million(or more) floyd only made 16 percent of that by making 32 million against cotto. oops! pac lost out on 14 million floyd lost out on 168 million! ah the beauty of framing. welcome to debate class. this was your first lesson. oh you got an F by the way.