Dan Rafael: Canelo Alvarez decided to part ways with PBC after turning down a Guaranteed 35 million vs Jermall Charlo as PBC included an agreement that Canelo must face David Benavidez in September

[IceTrayDaGang]

benavidez is being looked at as the best mexican fighter right now.. canelo feel some type of way about this... but he's not gonna let the people force him to fight benavidez now...

just like when fans started saying pac is better than floyd, pac will beat floyd blah blah blah... floyd did not like that either and it made floyd push the fight out even longer!!!

[kiaba360]

Canelo has to want the fight for it to happen. If not it doesn't matter who he signs with. So far he has shown no interest in fighting Benavidez who has been his mandatory for 3 years. That includes Canelo's time with DAZN.

Did David become interim titlist/mandatory by beating Lemuiex? If so, David is a beneficiary of Canelo 'daring to be great' by facing Bivol. WBC is a part of the problem.

I think Benavidez is a top 3 option for Canelo, from a marketing standpoint. Canelo is risking this match-up by letting it linger. The sooner Canelo faces him, the more likely he is to win. He's also giving David too much rope to hang himself: David has a vulnerable style, and he's shown discipline issues in the past. Fortunately for Canelo, David's team have been adept matchmakers because guys like Andrade and Lemieux were stepping stones. David hasn't fought Morrell and Mbilli because those are arguably the toughest. Although I think he breaks down Gvozdyk, that is the biggest risk he's taken so far. If he loses, that'll hurt Canelo/Benavidez a little.

I think Benavidez becomes Canelo's biggest priority if he beats Gvozdyk and then Beterbiev/Bivol. That's the smart play. He needs to leave 168 alone.

[The Big Dunn]

a-side mentality!! you should know this, floyd did it for half of his career!!! canelo right now feels like he's the face of boxing.. he calls the shot... he's not gonna let someone tell him who he has to fight and when.

Understand that but this is one of the biggest revenue generating fights he has since Spence lost.

The other would be Crawford who imo has a much better chance of beating Canelo than Benavidez would.

I guess he figures he can always go back to them after he beats Munguia.

[The Big Dunn]

Did David become interim titlist/mandatory by beating Lemuiex? If so, David is a beneficiary of Canelo 'daring to be great' by facing Bivol. WBC is a part of the problem.

I think Benavidez is a top 3 option for Canelo, from a marketing standpoint. Canelo is risking this match-up by letting it linger. The sooner Canelo faces him, the more likely he is to win. He's also giving David too much rope to hang himself: David has a vulnerable style, and he's shown discipline issues in the past. Fortunately for Canelo, David's team have been adept matchmakers because guys like Andrade and Lemieux were stepping stones. He hasn't fought Morrell and Mbilli because those are arguably the toughest. Although I think he breaks down Gvozdyk, that is the biggest risk he's taken so far.

I think Benavidez becomes Canelo's biggest priority if he beats Gvozdyk and then Beterbiev/Bivol. That's the smart play.

I’ve been thinking -Is that really daring to be great?

That is what people said about khan and Charlo when they moved up to fight Canelo but when the fight happened it looked like they just fought Canelo for the check and got to avoid losing to an opponent at their weight for less money.

Canelo fighting Bivol felt like a miscalculation. Canelo thought he’d grab another belt against a guy much slower than him. That plan failed miserably.

I think a better example of daring to be great is what Inoue and Crawford did fighting Fulton and Spence.

I guess its just semantics.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Understand that but this is one of the biggest revenue generating fights he has since Spence lost.

The other would be Crawford who imo has a much better chance of beating Canelo than Benavidez would.

I guess he figures he can always go back to them after he beats Munguia.

yeah but he can still make good money without fighting benavidez, canelo has already made millions so this is nothing new to him.. just like how the pac fight was the biggest purse floyd would make BUT that didnt force floyd into fighting pac right away. same thing canelo is doing right now.. canelo is not afraid of benavidez like the fans is claiming, just like how floyd wasnt with pac... they both feel that they are at the top right now so they are not gonna let anyone tell them who they have to fight and when. it's all an ego thing and i dont blame canelo at all... like i said, if a fighter put in the work early on and got to where they are at now, then they deserve to run things their way.

[kiaba360]

Is that really daring to be great?

That is what people said about khan, Charlo and others that moved up to fight Canelo but when the fight happened it looked like they just fought Canelo for the check and to avoid losing to an opponent at their weight for less money.

Canelo fighting Bivol wasn’t daring to be great, it was a miscalculation. He thought he’d grab another belt against a guy much slower than him. That plan failed miserably.

I think a better example of daring to be great is what Inoue and Crawford did fighting Fulton and Spence.

I guess its just semantics.

Notice I put 'daring to be great' in quotes. Canelo is arrogant and delusional, but I guess you have to be in order to make as far as he has. I think HE believes he was going to win, and that's all that matters to him. I think Canelo is controlled by pride/ego, not fear. David is simply collateral damage in this whole Canelo/PBC situation. I don't believe a Benavidez bout is off the table, but it's just not what is motivating Canelo going into the 20th year of his pro career. That's why David needs to beat Beterbiev/Bivol.

I don't remember the pre-fight talk on here, but did people really think Bivol was much slower than Canelo? Canelo is stereo-typically the one with slow feet, while Bivol's style relies on his feet.

[The Big Dunn]

yeah but he can still make good money without fighting benavidez, canelo has already made millions so this is nothing new to him.. just like how the pac fight was the biggest purse floyd would make BUT that didnt force floyd into fighting pac right away. same thing canelo is doing right now.. canelo is not afraid of benavidez like the fans is claiming, just like how floyd wasnt with pac... they both feel that they are at the top right now so they are not gonna let anyone tell them who they have to fight and when. it's all an ego thing and i dont blame canelo at all... like i said, if a fighter put in the work early on and got to where they are at now, then they deserve to run things their way.

Ok. Will make it bigger down the road.

Manny turned the fight down over ppv revenue despite the fact the flat fee would pay him far more than he ever earned as the a side with the bulk of the ppv revenue. Benavidez to my knowledge hasn’t done that.

Well you have to blame Canelo. He is the one making the decision.

[The Big Dunn]

Notice I put 'daring to be great' in quotes. Canelo is arrogant and delusional, but I guess you have to be in order to make as far as he has. I think HE believes he was going to win, and that's all that matters to him. I think Canelo is controlled by pride/ego, not fear. David is simply collateral damage in this whole Canelo/PBC situation. I don't believe a Benavidez bout is off the table, but it's just not what is motivating Canelo going into the 20th year of his pro career. That's why David needs to beat Beterbiev/Bivol.

I don't remember the pre-fight talk on here, but did people really think Bivol was much slower than Canelo? Canelo is stereo-typically the one with slow feet, while Bivol's style relies on his feet.

Ok got it.

Yeah many thought Canelo would win easy.

[kiaba360]

Ok got it.

Yeah many thought Canelo would win easy.

I think Canelo winning in a robbery was my pick lol, but I don't remember. I was and still am a believer in Bivol, so it's possible I picked him outright.

If Canelo was concerned about winning/losing, I think he would've fought Benavidez instead of Bivol. Bivol for a LHW title was what motivated him, while he may have perceived David as another title defense. He and his team may have watched the Lemieux fight and thought, "Hmmmm....that's a match-up we can marinate". But now they have to be careful that it isn't marinated too long. There aren't enough marketable fights left for Canelo. He needs David to continue progressing.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Ok. Will make it bigger down the road.

Manny turned the fight down over ppv revenue despite the fact the flat fee would pay him far more than he ever earned as the a side with the bulk of the ppv revenue. Benavidez to my knowledge hasn’t done that.

Well you have to blame Canelo. He is the one making the decision.

you can believe what you want, but you know floyd made it difficult and fought pac on floyd's time.

"ok will make it bigger down the road"... that's exactly what i feel canelo is doing.. he's not afraid of benavidez.. he will fight benavidez when he feel the time is right just like how floyd did with pac.