Dan Rafael: Canelo Alvarez decided to part ways with PBC after turning down a Guaranteed 35 million vs Jermall Charlo as PBC included an agreement that Canelo must face David Benavidez in September

[The Big Dunn]

your arguments make no sense.

40 million is more than pacs ever made? guess what a 50-50 split would have been more than floyds ever made too. by a huge margin. why dont you ever frame it as floyd turning down his highest payday by changing the terms? you always put the onus on pac to do whatever floyd wants even if its insane. manny was going to make 40 million to floyds 360 million? you cant defend that. thats a duck. especially given their popularity...

if you look at the numbers pac was actually more popular than floyd at the point in which floyd made the 40 million flat offer. floyd made that offer in january of 2012. if you look at floyds last 3 fights floyd generated 3.65 million ppv buys. 1.25 vs ortiz. 1.4 vs mosley. 1 vs marquez. pac generated 3.89 million ppv buys in his 3 last fights at that time. 1.15 vs margarito. 1.34 vs mosley. 1.4 million vs marquez 3.

a 50-50 split seemed more than fair. also to go from a 50-50 split to a 90-10 split in floyds favor? you dont find that strange at all? years later when they eventually fought the split was only 60-40 in floyds favor so how does floyd go from 50-50 to 90-10 against a guy on his level in popularity? you will never be able to answer that with a response that makes sense and you know that. this wasnt trying to make a few more bucks quibbling over the purse split. this was killing the fight.

Yes it was. $40 million is more than $28 million.

He made the offer. Manny refused it. That is what happened. You can’t change that. Yes, I put the onus on Manny to accept or decline an offer made to him.

The duck is the person that refused the offer.

Lmfao. You conveniently leave out ODH. Makes your argument invalid.

Manny also turned the 50/50 offer down. I see no reason why anyone expects the same offer the next time around. Floyd was testing to see if Manny really wanted the fight.

Floyd extended that deal because as the co promoter for the fight his take was going to be bigger than when he wasn’t. He could afford to give a higher percentage. It isn’t that difficult to grasp.

Manny finally took the fight because he got KTFO by JMM after turning down the previous deal.

In the end , Manny declining the fight twice cost him 10% of the cut but he still made his highest payday ever.

He made out ok from where I sit.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes it was. $40 million is more than $28 million.

He made the offer. Manny refused it. That is what happened. You can’t change that. Yes, I put the onus on Manny to accept or decline an offer made to him.

The duck is the person that refused the offer.

Lmfao. You conveniently leave out ODH. Makes your argument invalid.

Manny also turned the 50/50 offer down. I see no reason why anyone expects the same offer the next time around. Floyd was testing to see if Manny really wanted the fight.

Floyd extended that deal because as the co promoter for the fight his take was going to be bigger than when he wasn’t. He could afford to give a higher percentage. It isn’t that difficult to grasp.

Manny finally took the fight because he got KTFO by JMM after turning down the previous deal.

In the end , Manny declining the fight twice cost him 10% of the cut but he still made his highest payday ever.

He made out ok from where I sit.

Those numbers for Pacquaio-Mosley were never actually released anyway.

The only common opponent Pacquaio did higher numbers with was Marquez and that was due to their rivalry.

It's asinine to consider Pacquaio the bigger draw of the two, at any point, no logic behind that argument what so ever.

[The Big Dunn]

Those numbers for Pacquaio-Mosley were never actually released anyway.

The only common opponent Pacquaio did higher numbers with was Marquez and that was due to their rivalry.

It's asinine to consider Pacquaio the bigger draw of the two, at any point, no logic behind that argument what so ever.

It’s daggum. I’m used to his ridiculous comments. Lol.

[Jsmooth9876]

I agree it is terrible opponent selection. But the better question is why did Haymon agree to it and sign a contract? He should have told Canelo to kick rocks.......

Probably because they don't have a soul who can sell over there except a guy who doesn't want to fight any of the elite guys around his division

[SteveM]

Understand that but this is one of the biggest revenue generating fights he has since Spence lost.

The other would be Crawford who imo has a much better chance of beating Canelo than Benavidez would.

I guess he figures he can always go back to them after he beats Munguia.

I think that is it - he is in 'hoover' mode - hoovering up the easy cash first - so on that basis we get > Berlanga, Eubank Jr., Munguia, Mbilli, Benaviez, Morrell - by which time the latter 3 will have long left 168 for LHW and hopefully for Canelo some new 'names' appear at 168 by 2025/6

[SteveM]

I’ve been thinking -Is that really daring to be great?

That is what people said about khan and Charlo when they moved up to fight Canelo but when the fight happened it looked like they just fought Canelo for the check and got to avoid losing to an opponent at their weight for less money.

Canelo fighting Bivol felt like a miscalculation. Canelo thought he’d grab another belt against a guy much slower than him. That plan failed miserably.

I think a better example of daring to be great is what Inoue and Crawford did fighting Fulton and Spence.

I guess its just semantics.

I agree but don't think it's semantics - you have it right about Khan and Jermall - though to be fair I don't mind these attempts if the fighter jumping up at least tries - Khan was leading on at least one of the scorecards at time of KO. lso at the time I admire Brook for having the fortitude to jump up and challenge GGG - he gave it his best shot. Ditto Mikey against Spence and LSC vs Tank.

[SteveM]

yeah but he can still make good money without fighting benavidez, canelo has already made millions so this is nothing new to him.. just like how the pac fight was the biggest purse floyd would make BUT that didnt force floyd into fighting pac right away. same thing canelo is doing right now.. canelo is not afraid of benavidez like the fans is claiming, just like how floyd wasnt with pac... they both feel that they are at the top right now so they are not gonna let anyone tell them who they have to fight and when. it's all an ego thing and i dont blame canelo at all... like i said, if a fighter put in the work early on and got to where they are at now, then they deserve to run things their way.

agree - but give up the belts or defend against your mandatories

[The Big Dunn]

I agree but don't think it's semantics - you have it right about Khan and Jermall - though to be fair I don't mind these attempts if the fighter jumping up at least tries - Khan was leading on at least one of the scorecards at time of KO. lso at the time I admire Brook for having the fortitude to jump up and challenge GGG - he gave it his best shot. Ditto Mikey against Spence and LSC vs Tank.

I thought Brooks/GGG was DAZN avoiding Andrade u fight but at least he tried to win where the others dudes didn’t.

Mikey and LSC must’ve owed Al some money. There was no need for those fights but again you are 100% right-they tried to win so I am not mad.

[Oracle01]

I think Benavidez is a top 3 option for Canelo, from a marketing standpoint. Canelo is risking this match-up by letting it linger. The sooner Canelo faces him, the more likely he is to win. He's also giving David too much rope to hang himself: David has a vulnerable style, and he's shown discipline issues in the past. Fortunately for Canelo, David's team have been adept matchmakers because guys like Andrade and Lemieux were stepping stones. David hasn't fought Morrell and Mbilli because those are arguably the toughest. Although I think he breaks down Gvozdyk, that is the biggest risk he's taken so far. If he loses, that'll hurt Canelo/Benavidez a little.

I think Benavidez becomes Canelo's biggest priority if he beats Gvozdyk and then Beterbiev/Bivol. That's the smart play. He needs to leave 168 alone.

Top 3 option? He is the top option by a country mile. You think Canelo is waiting for Benavidez to clean out 175 before he fights him? Canelo fans are totally delusional. Meanwhile Mungia and Berlanga who have done nothing just walk in and get the fight.

Your argument is that Canelo is avoiding David because he is not big enough, yet the whole boxing world is crying for that fight, So that is a huge contradiction already.

David is not big enough apparently but he is going to fight 2 guys who are not as big as David. Again a contradiction. Stop living in denial. Canelo is simply scared of Benavidez.

[OnePunch]

Yes it was. $10 million is more than $5 million.

Hearn made the offer. Tank refused it. That is what happened. You can’t change that. Yes, I put the onus on Tank to accept or decline an offer made to him.

The duck is the person that refused the offer.

lets change the particulars a bit.

Or is this different because Tank is black? I'm guessing yes.......lol