If a fighter REFUSES to fight someone that called him out unless "the money's right" - is that a DUCK? Yes/No?

[MulaKO]

This is why your oversimplifying things is so asinine.

Going by the bold, Loma was fighting another world champion, even though he was being called out by a mandatory. So clearly not a duck by the bold, but you're trying to force a narrative by excluding relevant information, again, going strictly by the bold.

Similarly, Teo was fighting an ordered mandatory, and he already had the higher version of Haney's title, and Haney hadn't been ordered as a mandatory for him. Haney was effectively a secondary champ, like most of Gervonta Davis' titles. Notice how those guys never get unification fights? That's because they're secondary titlists, and the other sanctioning organizations don't recognize them and therefore won't sanction a unification.

Etc. And that's just going by the aforementioned bold, mind you.

Oh chit
Now you’ll never get an answer from Leicesterage because you sir are not going according to the agenda
Mr Combat gets offended and his defensive acumen is to not respond lol

[Combat Talk Radio]

Let's keep it real. With the fans, it all depends on who the fighter is.

When Canelo-Crawford falls apart due to Bud's demands, watch em accuse Saul of ducking a welterweight.

https://twitter.com/terencecrawford/...49954744140000

[Combat Talk Radio]

no... because if a lower level fighter who hasnt earned the chance is calling out a big name and the big name refuses, that's not a duck.

But NSB accused Floyd of ducking Keef.

Are we suggesting that Keef by that point had "earned" a chance even though at that point he hadn't fought anyone?

[IceTrayDaGang]

But NSB accused Floyd of ducking Keef.

Are we suggesting that Keef by that point had "earned" a chance even though at that point he hadn't fought anyone?

wtf are you talking about??? when thurman was calling out for floyd HE DID deserve it!!! when thurman was calling out for floyd, a lot of posters on here view thurman as the top dog in his division!! yes, at one point on NSB, thurman was view as a very good fighter!!!

Fans on here only started to trash thurman after his poor performance against josesito lopez then when thurman loss to pac, his stocks went down even more but when he was calling out for floyd which was back in 2014, he was view as a good boxer.

[Combat Talk Radio]

wtf are you talking about??? when thurman was calling out for floyd HE DID deserve it!!! when thurman was calling out for floyd, a lot of posters on here view thurman as the top dog in his division!! yes, at one point on NSB, thurman was view as a very good fighter!!!

Fans on here only started to trash thurman after his poor performance against josesito lopez then when thurman loss to pac, his stocks went down even more but when he was calling out for floyd which was back in 2014, he was view as a good boxer.

Name the two wins that earned Keef a fight against Floyd Mayweather who I remind you was fresh off beating future Hall of Famers with ease. And the fight with Thurman was supposed to be 2015 - the year that Floyd made easy work of Manny Pacquiao to unify.

What fight(s) did Keef have against what opposition that was anywhere near the level of Manny OR Floyd?

[IceTrayDaGang]

Name the two wins that earned Keef a fight against Floyd Mayweather who I remind you was fresh off beating future Hall of Famers with ease. And the fight with Thurman was supposed to be 2015 - the year that Floyd made easy work of Manny Pacquiao to unify.

What fight(s) did Keef have against what opposition that was anywhere near the level of Manny OR Floyd?

thurman called floyd out in 2014!!! that was when thurman was consider p4p#1 in the WW division. thurman was undefeated at the time and was view highly on here. stop making up lies.

you are saying thurman didnt deserve a shot at floyd but berto did?? pac??? after getting KO'd silly by marquez????? in 2014, thurman was undefeated and was consider as the best in his division.

[djtmal]

In a career of say 40 fights a guy has 300 callouts , it seems all easy to call duck 260 times and you can bet some fan did for every one of the 260 non events.

A real duck is infinitely more complex than saying no to a callout, the mentality around the term Duck comes from schoolboy machoism of somebody is scared.

Believe you me if it is one of your man crushes you will make up excuses for him.

[djtmal]

thurman called floyd out in 2014!!! that was when thurman was consider p4p#1 in the WW division. thurman was undefeated at the time and was view highly on here. stop making up lies.

you are saying thurman didnt deserve a shot at floyd but berto did?? pac??? after getting KO'd silly by marquez????? in 2014, thurman was undefeated and was consider as the best in his division.

Thurman was a bigger threat than slow flat footed Madonna, Shopworn Manny, and shopworn c fighter Andre Berto.

Held two of the belts and was Floyd's WBC mandatory the whole time he was cherrypicking.

Thurman did good box office as well but Floyd refused to acknowledge him.

[YGriffith]

Unless it's something below your usual payday/lowballed, yes.

Yes, the examples you stated are all ducks, davis, canelo and crawford are also good examples of ducks, the first two duck for obvious reasons, crawford? No good reason to duck, especially since boots cant even cut the ring and is inexperienced at the highest level.

[Combat Talk Radio]

thurman called floyd out in 2014!!! that was when thurman was consider p4p#1 in the WW division. thurman was undefeated at the time and was view highly on here. stop making up lies.

you are saying thurman didnt deserve a shot at floyd but berto did?? pac??? after getting KO'd silly by marquez????? in 2014, thurman was undefeated and was consider as the best in his division.

Ok, so let's analyze that.

	Mayweather	Thurman
2014	May 2014, he fights Chino. NSB (and others) claim that Chino got robbed (he didn't), so he ran it back in September and won clearly with a ref that actually enforced the rules. SO 2014 Mayweather was NOT available because people were hoping that Chino could pull it out. Nobody was asking for a Thurman fight.	April 2014, stops Julio Diaz, a lightweight. December 2014, is taken the distance by 40-year old Bundu after basically running away from him. At the weigh-in, he calls out Floyd But after the fight, he called out Chino.
2015	May 2015, schools future Hall of Famer Manny Pacquiao. You can discredit him for what happened to him but that was his fault for refusing random blood and urine testing back in 2009 (Roach is on record that's what happened and why the fight didn't happen). To this day, no fighter has surpassed the gates for this fight, because it's what the people wanted after marinating for so long. Nobody was asking for a Thurman fight. September 2015, Floyd books a fight with Berto. What nobody paid attention to is that Berto was basically a mandatory. He held the WBA interim title (aka "if the champ doesn't fight you, we're making you the champ" - which Crawford had to learn the hard way recently) that he won from Josesito - the same Josesito that would later damn near stop Keef off a body shot and a flurry flush shots. Floyd retires. The WBA Super is vacated.	Before defending against Guerrero in March, Keef gets an email. It's the WBA, elevating him to Regular champion (with Floyd as Super champion). May 2015 Thurman gets damn near stopped off a body shot by Collazo and lucks out that Collazo gets an eye injury. Calls out Mayweather. Avanesyan gets elevated to interim after beating Mosley.

That's the timeline. So I'll ask again.

Of the fighters listed, which two entitled Keef to a shot against the top guy?