If a fighter REFUSES to fight someone that called him out unless "the money's right" - is that a DUCK? Yes/No?

[juggernaut666]

Just admit you're a hypocrite.

It's like Gary Coleman said above - when it's your guy, you flip the script.

You don’t even know what script your reading , you’re all over the place .

[Combat Talk Radio]

You don’t even know what script your reading , you’re all over the place .

You got nothing but facts that exposed your bias. You now have no rebuttal. That's what happened.

[dan-b]

No, they're all PBC fighters and advised by Al Haymon I thought that was obvious by the "ill advised" comment...

Why on earth would them being American have anything to do with their "ducking", their promotional ties however...

I think this current generation of American boxers have a problem with being inactive social media addicts. When people talk about inactivity it's nearly always in reference to American boxers.

[Boro]

I think this current generation of American boxers have a problem with being inactive social media addicts. When people talk about inactivity it's nearly always in reference to American boxers.

All boxers regardless of their locale have inactivity issues, their delusional money demands, protecting their 0 and twitter fingers rather than fighting is killing the game.

[N/A]

It depends on how you understand boxing. Because the professionals are supposed to be prize fighters. I can't blame them for that - boxing is the hardest of all fighting disciplines because of its nature (I am not saying the most complicated, most skill-requiring etc.) and if you want a high, but reasonable amount of money to face some top contender, it makes sense.

I don't believe Wilder refused 50/100 million to face AJ - nobody can turn down that. Considering Wilder's poor intelligence, do you believe Shelly the *** Finkel will convince him to do so and go for way less money?

So "is it a duck if a fighter refuses to face someone who called him out" is to judge case by case, taking into consideration many aspects and details.

[Marchegiano]

It's a duck.

We have sanctioning bodies for a reason. Boxing used to be just a business, those champions ****** so bad the sanctioning body was invented specifically for forcing poor business fights to happen.

Bumping my own post because y'all dumb.

This thread should be over.

If boxing did not already consider it ducking there would be no sanctioning bodies and all the idiots saying "boxing a business doe " would be right. You don't live in the prize fighting era you goofy mooks. You live in the sport era, you goofy mooks. Responding with "It'uh bitnass doe" "it's prizefighting" range from intellectual dishonest to straight up ******ity and nothing between because, guess what morons, boxing has not been a business since 1910.



Boxing's a business, except, the only time in boxing history when an Italian was champion, a German was champion, and a Spaniard was a top contender was when fascism was popular in europe and the ********ic institution the was the european sanctioning body was overtaken by *******s who voted *******s into ranked positions.



Boxing's a business except most you mooks can't explain why Martin was ever given a title fight.



Boxing's a business except the highest grossing fights never happen at the highest opportunity.


Boxing's a business except we all expect something called undisputed out Fury and Usyk. And then we fully expect one of the four to be unswayed by money and strip the new undisputed and crown yet another champion you will call the IBF champion. ... but it bitnass doe


Boxing's a sport ... duh.


You morons have gotten too deep into your "I understand business you don't" bull. On top of being straight up wrong and overusing this phrase, not one of you actually run a business do you? Has anyone not going by Marchegiano signed any contracts ever with Showtime or anyone else actually in or was in the business you refer to? Ahh, but youse a business gurus doe that understands everything there is to understand about boxing and so deep is your grasp your dumb ass forgot it's not a business actually, it's a sport, and promoters talk about the business aspect of the sport to spin the moves they make into a positive because from a sporting perspective they've made a bad move.


No one awards any boxer anything for their ****ing business moves. There's no such thing as you never made rank or held a title or even had a good fight but my god you maximized your gains and minimized your losses and so here you go some form of recognition in the sport called boxing.




The Wizard has spoke. If you disagree it means you've a tiny pee-pee.

[Combat Talk Radio]

It depends on how you understand boxing. Because the professionals are supposed to be prize fighters. I can't blame them for that - boxing is the hardest of all fighting disciplines because of its nature (I am not saying the most complicated, most skill-requiring etc.) and if you want a high, but reasonable amount of money to face some top contender, it makes sense.

I don't believe Wilder refused 50/100 million to face AJ - nobody can turn down that. Considering Wilder's poor intelligence, do you believe Shelly the *** Finkel will convince him to do so and go for way less money?

So "is it a duck if a fighter refuses to face someone who called him out" is to judge case by case, taking into consideration many aspects and details.

Wasn’t it Finkel that referred to Wilder as a “baby” who would not be rushed?

[Combat Talk Radio]

If boxing did not already consider it ducking there would be no sanctioning bodies and all the idiots saying "boxing a business doe " would be right. You don't live in the prize fighting era you goofy mooks. You live in the sport era, you goofy mooks. Responding with "It'uh bitnass doe" "it's prizefighting" range from intellectual dishonest to straight up ******ity and nothing between because, guess what morons, boxing has not been a business since 1910.

Only one point: Bob Arum contradicted (basically) what you're saying.

He's saying that the demands of the fighter are why fights don't get made. And we know that's the case. That's all about business, not sport.

If that weren't the case then how could the Saudi event get done so easily? How could Joshua/Ngannou get done so easily?

Because when they were throwing money at the fighters, fights all of a sudden get done.

Remember early day DAZN? $10/month, $100/year and you got Canelo and Golovkin fights at the top level, even the first fight if I recall. But it wasn't sustainable. PPV is the only thing that pays for what the fighters want.

So the problem can't be the fans. It's the fighters and their demands (that rhymes). So that's business, 101.

The only question - and I know some here don't get it - is it IS simple straight forward to answer the question of whether rejecting a fight solely based on money is a duck or not. It either is or isn't.

Some of these cats talking about "what about the weight doe" - we're not talking about ALL demands, we're talking about fighters who decline a fight ONLY because of money. That's a Yes/No question.

Personally?

I agree that a prizefighter should be able to ask for money.

But I also agree that the money they get should be based on what they draw, not what they think they should get (which is Arum's point).

So take the Frank Martin situation. Do I think he can draw to deserve a million? No. Is it a duck? I don't think so. I think he wanted a step up in pay - like any prizefighter should.

[real raw]

To me it's contextual.

If you are a world champion and another world champ or top contender is calling you out then yeah it's a duck.

If you are a world champion or a big name and a unknown guy is calling you out then no because chances are you have better ad more lucrative fights avaliable and the guy calling you out is really just begging it.

valid perspective

[MulaKO]

Bumping my own post because y'all dumb.

This thread should be over.

If boxing did not already consider it ducking there would be no sanctioning bodies and all the idiots saying "boxing a business doe " would be right. You don't live in the prize fighting era you goofy mooks. You live in the sport era, you goofy mooks. Responding with "It'uh bitnass doe" "it's prizefighting" range from intellectual dishonest to straight up ******ity and nothing between because, guess what morons, boxing has not been a business since 1910.



Boxing's a business, except, the only time in boxing history when an Italian was champion, a German was champion, and a Spaniard was a top contender was when fascism was popular in europe and the ********ic institution the was the european sanctioning body was overtaken by *******s who voted *******s into ranked positions.



Boxing's a business except most you mooks can't explain why Martin was ever given a title fight.



Boxing's a business except the highest grossing fights never happen at the highest opportunity.


Boxing's a business except we all expect something called undisputed out Fury and Usyk. And then we fully expect one of the four to be unswayed by money and strip the new undisputed and crown yet another champion you will call the IBF champion. ... but it bitnass doe


Boxing's a sport ... duh.


You morons have gotten too deep into your "I understand business you don't" bull. On top of being straight up wrong and overusing this phrase, not one of you actually run a business do you? Has anyone not going by Marchegiano signed any contracts ever with Showtime or anyone else actually in or was in the business you refer to? Ahh, but youse a business gurus doe that understands everything there is to understand about boxing and so deep is your grasp your dumb ass forgot it's not a business actually, it's a sport, and promoters talk about the business aspect of the sport to spin the moves they make into a positive because from a sporting perspective they've made a bad move.


No one awards any boxer anything for their ****ing business moves. There's no such thing as you never made rank or held a title or even had a good fight but my god you maximized your gains and minimized your losses and so here you go some form of recognition in the sport called boxing.




The Wizard has spoke. If you disagree it means you've a tiny pee-pee.

Il Duce
Lmfao but my old man would be proud
He done many good things for Italy only to be swindled by the other guy