Beterbiev is on another level not seen often throughout history.

[BaguMka]

And Artur can cut off the ring very well
Let’s see how Bivol reacts to Beterbiev’s power cause he’s never been hit like that before
Most importantly remember this is not Canelo where Bivol didn’t have to do much to get to him

I get you mate. However ive seen Dmitry sparring heavyweights/cruiserweights in the gym (im from Russia) and trust me he can take punch and also his footwork is still underrated he can move 20rounds if needed. I strongly believe he will frustrate and outbox Artur. Dmitry never gets tired and his stamina is outstanding. I love Artur but this fight will be one sided trust me mate

[MulaKO]

I get you mate. However ive seen Dmitry sparring heavyweights/cruiserweights in the gym (im from Russia) and trust me he can take punch and also his footwork is still underrated he can move 20rounds if needed. I strongly believe he will frustrate and outbox Artur. Dmitry never gets tired and his stamina is outstanding. I love Artur but this fight will be one sided trust me mate

Hey , if you say so
I don’t see it that way
Artur actually fought in the heavyweight division
And let’s not be unrealistic , there is a huge difference between sparring and actually being in a fight

[BaguMka]

Hey , if you say so
I don’t see it that way
Artur actually fought in the heavyweight division
And let’s not be unrealistic , there is a huge difference between sparring and actually being in a fight

Yeah I know what you saying mate. I just know something that most of western fans don't know about russian boxers. And just mark my words if the fight happens (fingers crossed) it will be masterclass by Bivol where he frustrated and completely outboxes Artur. After that fight Dmitry gets all credit he deserves.
Just give you a thought.. rewatch Gvozdyk Vs Artur fight. That was the hardest Arthurs fight. gvozdyk was successful and frustrated Artur many times but then just gassed out and got beaten. Bivol is on another level in terms of footwork and stamina plus his way faster than gvozdyk.
people still don't understand how good Bivol is. We gonna get back here and discuss the fight mate

[MulaKO]

Yeah I know what you saying mate. I just know something that most of western fans don't know about russian boxers. And just mark my words if the fight happens (fingers crossed) it will be masterclass by Bivol where he frustrated and completely outboxes Artur. After that fight Dmitry gets all credit he deserves.
Just give you a thought.. rewatch Gvozdyk Vs Artur fight. That was the hardest Arthurs fight. gvozdyk was successful and frustrated Artur many times but then just gassed out and got beaten. Bivol is on another level in terms of footwork and stamina plus his way faster than gvozdyk.
people still don't understand how good Bivol is. We gonna get back here and discuss the fight mate

All good brother
I’ll get the tissue ready for you
Or we’ll probably need a bucket lol

[JakeTheBoxer]

He is special fighter. His pressure is unique. His guard actually reminds me on full contact fighters or K1 fighters.

[ShoulderRoll]

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âHaving a documented history of passing multiple VADA tests for several years with no odd or weird test results. It has to be more than 1 year, with the more years the better. If the testing is from USADA it has to be done in the US, not outside the country as USADA only has jurisdiction here and in other places has to resort to local labs. Iâve told you this many times already.â

Right ok so weâve got down to it then so to be likely clean or clean itâs;

âMore than 1 year VADA or USADA(Where fighter is located in thebUS) with no weird resultsâ

So Ngannou fits that criteria but you said heâs assuredly on PEDs?

How do you justify that claim?

I also assume you deem Jarrel Miller likely clean then he fits that criteria. But you said he was a cheater recently? How do you justify that?

âCanelo meets that criteria. Vergil Ortiz meets that criteria. Beterbiev met that criteriaâ¦until his recent test where they found him to have atypically elevated levels of HGH and testosterone. You yourself found that su****iousâ

I find all three su****ious. Canelo being the obviously most su****ious as heâs failed multiple drug tests and Beterbiev the least su****ious of the three.

You only seem one su****ious because youâre ****** and donât understand this stuff.



Ah ok now this is very interesting.

You deem Floydâs su****ious behaviour as not su****ious because USADA deemed it so.

But hold on, the head of VADA publicly stated that Beterbievâs atypical results were not su****ious and Infact common.

So you seem to be applying one rule for one and another for another here once again.

Are you going to retract that Beterbiev is su****ious and deem him likely clean like you do Floyd on this basis?

Ngannou visits Africa frequently. USADA doesn’t send testers there. So the claims of 24/7/365 testing have some holes there.

We agree that you find Beterbiev su****ious. Ok.

VADA didn’t report that Beterbiev failed any tests, so he can’t be said to be a cheat. But they did see fit to report that they found atypical levels of HGH and testosterone. For a 39 year old that raises a flag to me (and to you as well as you admit.). USADA didn’t report anything atypical about Floyd around his IV incident, they simply approved of giving him a TUE for it.

[IronDanHamza]

Ngannou visits Africa frequently. USADA doesnât send testers there. So the claims of 24/7/365 testing have some holes there.

Oh, he does? Do you have evidence for that? I have never known him frequently visit Africa. He lives in Las Vegas.

In fact, I have never once recalled him visiting Africa during a training camp. Which was the only time frame where Floyd was tested by USADA to compare.

Whereas Mayweather on the other hand leaves America extremely frequently and did so throughout his career, even sometimes during training camp.

So, explain how that works please and how Floyd is clean due to USADA testing and Ngannou is assuredly on PED's who's done USADA testing for longer and more often.

We agree that you find Beterbiev su****ious. Ok.

Yes, I am consistent. You are the opposite of consistent.

You deem people who fail multiple drug tests like Canelo "likely clean" because he's passed VADA programs and deem Ngannou "assuredly on PED's" who has done 24/7 365 USADA testing for over a decade and also VADA testing and never failed a test.

It it hands down the most ridiculous and hypocritical take you could possibly have.

VADA didnât report that Beterbiev failed any tests, so he canât be said to be a cheat. But they did see fit to report that they found atypical levels of HGH and testosterone. For a 39 year old that raises a flag to me (and to you as well as you admit.). USADA didnât report anything atypical about Floyd around his IV incident, they simply approved of giving him a TUE for it.

But hold on, you just said if USADA deemed the incident not su****ious then it means it's not su****ious.

Yet, the head of VADA publicly stated that Beterbiev's atypical findings were not only not su****ious but in fact common.

How can you hold opposing positions at the same time?

You can't deem Floyd not su****ious for his su****ious behavior because USADA said so and then deem Beterbiev su****ious behavior the opposite when VADA said so.

Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Please clarify.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Beterbiev does not have to bother about that jab stuff. That is low level stuff for when 2 boxers are evenly matched. He can parry Bivol jab and stalk him down all night, the moment Bivol gets in range he'll get mauled.

He really can't. Bivol actually has feet, unlike the others he's fought. Smith and Gvodzyk had molasses feet in comparison, and Bivol is the best in the sport about ring awareness. He'll never "get in range" if he's not putting his own jab out there. Bivol has proven fight after fight that he's got the ability to just cruise scoring points while someone tries to walk him down. If Beterbiev does as you suggest, he'll never get the opportunity to open up and create offense to slow Bivol down, and Bivol will cruise in first gear to a shutout.

Fortunately Beterbiev isn't likely to be that ******. He knows the in-and-out Soviet style that Bivol uses. But he absolutely can't fight the way he did against Smith. Then it will just look like the Canelo fight. It's a good thing you're not his coach.

[KP1]

Never ceases to amaze how guys previously labelled Brit bums when the likes of Canelo beat them somehow elevate a boxing forums wet dream to ATG status.

[ShoulderRoll]

Oh, he does? Do you have evidence for that? I have never known him frequently visit Africa. He lives in Las Vegas.

In fact, I have never once recalled him visiting Africa during a training camp. Which was the only time frame where Floyd was tested by USADA to compare.

Whereas Mayweather on the other hand leaves America extremely frequently and did so throughout his career, even sometimes during training camp.

So, explain how that works please and how Floyd is clean due to USADA testing and Ngannou is assuredly on PED's who's done USADA testing for longer and more often.



Yes, I am consistent. You are the opposite of consistent.

You deem people who fail multiple drug tests like Canelo "likely clean" because he's passed VADA programs and deem Ngannou "assuredly on PED's" who has done 24/7 365 USADA testing for over a decade and also VADA testing and never failed a test.

It it hands down the most ridiculous and hypocritical take you could possibly have.



But hold on, you just said if USADA deemed the incident not su****ious then it means it's not su****ious.

Yet, the head of VADA publicly stated that Beterbiev's atypical findings were not only not su****ious but in fact common.

How can you hold opposing positions at the same time?

You can't deem Floyd not su****ious for his su****ious behavior because USADA said so and then deem Beterbiev su****ious behavior the opposite when VADA said so.

Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Please clarify.

Ngannou visits Africa frequently, yes. USADA isn’t sending testers there to meet the 24/7/365 requirement, since they have no jurisdiction outside the US.

Francis Ngannou’s Visit to Cote d’Ivoire: MMA Promotion and Potential Heavyweight Fight in Africa
https://bnnbreaking.com/sports/franc...ght-in-africa/

Recently, the Marines at the embassy in Cameroon got a big surprise. UFC Heavyweight Champion Francis Ngannou stopped in for a visit.
https://americangrit.com/post/ufc-he...es-in-cameroon

Cameroon: Warm village homecoming for UFC champion Francis Ngannou
https://www.africanews.com/2021/05/0...ancis-ngannou/

With Floyd there were no reports of anything odd found in test results by USADA. With Beterbiev there were atypical findings of elevated HGH and testosterone levels. That’s the difference between those two situations and my reasoning for that.