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  • IronDanHamza
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    #101
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

    There are more examples of Ngannou visiting Africa at other times, as well as leaving the US to visit other countries. That qualifies as frequent. How long do you expect me to keep searching Google in order to list them all?
    So you'd agree that Floyd leaves America frequently also then?

    Do you have an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp? I don't recall a single time that happened.

    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
    You’re the one that brought up 24/7/365 USADA testing in the first place but now you don’t want to talk about it. Ok.
    No actually, you brought it up.

    Floyd doesn't and has never done USADA 365 testing (Unlike Ngannou who did it over over a decade) so I don't see the relevance as to why.

    Is Floyd not likely clean, since he travels and doesn't do 365 USADA testing? We need to get these things clarified for you to justify your stances.



    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
    USADA found nothing wrong with Floyd’s IV. And they found nothing atypical in his tests. Why do you want me to say that is su****ious, in the same vein that atypically high levels of HGH and testosterone are su****ious?
    Well first things first using a banned IV is atypical by definition, not only atypical but prohibited. But USADA retroactively approved it which is their call, doesn't change the fact it's very su****ious but they approved it and deemed nothing wrong with it, so you deem that not su****ious due to their word.

    VADA literally did the exact same thing with Beterbiev's atypical finding, yet you still deem it still su****ious? How can you possibly hold those two polar opposite positions?

    You do understand these two instances are as good identical? Yet you deem one not su****ious because USADA said so and the opposite when VADA say the exact same thing. Why do you take USADA's word as authority and not VADA? I thought you said VADA were better than USADA?

    Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Why won't you answer that?
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      #102
      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

      Canelo hasn’t tested positive either, since the trace amounts of clenbuterol (amounts consistent with eating tainted meat) were found in his system. Amounts that are considered legal now that people understand more about the science.

      And he has looked better than ever during a lot of that time.
      Canelo hasn't tested positive......since he tested positive......multiple times....

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        #103
        Originally posted by MulaKO

        So what’s good for the goose is good for the gander , right ?
        So why the double standard when it comes to others ?
        Is it hate cause it really comes off that way
        Playing both sides of the fence just makes you look ignorant kind of like you having such a difficult time understanding what Dan is saying
        Or are you playing possum ?
        There is no double standard. I stated my reasoning and apply it across the board.

        Unkess you think the atypical results in Beterbiev’s tests are comparable to Floyd having an IV that he got a TUE for?

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          #104
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza

          Canelo hasn't tested positive......since he tested positive......multiple times....

          Canelo gave a reasonable explanation and faced the music and served his punishment.

          Conor Benn still hasn’t.

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            #105
            Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

            There is no double standard. I stated my reasoning and apply it across the board.

            Unkess you think the atypical results in Beterbiev’s tests are comparable to Floyd having an IV that he got a TUE for?
            There you go again
            Always a but in your responses
            Life’s to short
            Keep playing both sides , I guess your alright with that look
            We all can’t be wrong and you right
            I will call you out every single time you go ape chit over someone getting caught and you not playing straight
            But but but
            Lmfao

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              #106
              Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

              There is no double standard. I stated my reasoning and apply it across the board.

              Unkess you think the atypical results in Beterbiev’s tests are comparable to Floyd having an IV that he got a TUE for?
              This guy doesn't even know what he looks like

              Floyd does USADA testing fight by fight = Clean
              Ngannou does USADA more frequently for a longer period of time = Assuredly on PEDs


              USADA deem Floyd not su****ious for using a prohibited IV = Gospel
              VADA deem Beterbiev not su****ious for atypical findings and say it's common = Irrelevant, still su****ious.


              Canelo doing 11 VADA programs despite having multiple failed drug tests = Likely clean due to completing VADA
              Beterbeiv doing 10 VADA programs and having no drug tests = Su****ious


              Your double standards are so apparent it's more sad than it is funny.

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                #107
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                Canelo gave a reasonable explanation and faced the music and served his punishment.

                Conor Benn still hasn’t.
                Tainted meat sounds as ridiculous as eggs sunny side up or sucking on some wild boar balls

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                  So you'd agree that Floyd leaves America frequently also then?

                  Do you have an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp? I don't recall a single time that happened.



                  No actually, you brought it up.

                  Floyd doesn't and has never done USADA 365 testing (Unlike Ngannou who did it over over a decade) so I don't see the relevance as to why.

                  Is Floyd not likely clean, since he travels and doesn't do 365 USADA testing? We need to get these things clarified for you to justify your stances.





                  Well first things first using a banned IV is atypical by definition, not only atypical but prohibited. But USADA retroactively approved it which is their call, doesn't change the fact it's very su****ious but they approved it and deemed nothing wrong with it, so you deem that not su****ious due to their word.

                  VADA literally did the exact same thing with Beterbiev's atypical finding, yet you still deem it still su****ious? How can you possibly hold those two polar opposite positions?

                  You do understand these two instances are as good identical? Yet you deem one not su****ious because USADA said so and the opposite when VADA say the exact same thing. Why do you take USADA's word as authority and not VADA? I thought you said VADA were better than USADA?

                  Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Why won't you answer that?
                  Sure, Floyd leaves the country a lot now. But he is no longer an active fighter subject to the rules of NSAC.

                  You were the one who first brought up Ngannou’s 24/7/365 USADA testing in these never ending, circular posts that you create.

                  I don’t think an IV with a retroactive TUE qualifies as being the exact same thing as atypically high levels of HGH and testosterone in a 39 year old.

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                    #109
                    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                    Canelo gave a reasonable explanation and faced the music and served his punishment.

                    Conor Benn still hasn’t.
                    I didn't ask about Conor Benn but it's kind of you to bring up another double standard.

                    Conor Benn doesn't have a punishment because he's had a hearing and he won it and his suspension has been lifted.

                    He's also completed a VADA program and is doing one now.

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by MulaKO

                      Tainted meat sounds as ridiculous as eggs sunny side up or sucking on some wild boar balls
                      Does it? Tainted meat is actually a real thing in Mexico.

                      While using clomiphene in egg production is not allowed in Britain.

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